Odd musings for a very early Saturday AM...

docicu3 · #1 03-15-2008, 12:40 AM

Every once in a while it's good to get a moment of the bitter taste of Typhoid Mary types like our "friend in his harness" the last two days. It just makes you appreciate the value of the people and discussion here when you flush a bowel movement like that guy.....

Okay bring on Saturday afternoon.....there is plenty of meat on this bone. Why do I have an uncontrollable urge to throw down early on Irish Rogue (ML 8-1) in the first at GP. The horse has only won 22 times even if he is 10 years old....

When your still working half miles in 48.2 and your last 3 workouts are bullets who cares if your pushing 11.....Does it work like dogs with years....a horses age is "X" times the real number. For a dog the number is 7 for instance

There is no shame in smiling with the trainer and family if he wins at $20 bucks or so....maybe it happens tomorrow or maybe the next time but the horse is a win machine in the right situation and he will win again when he is working like this IMO. I can't really justify it but I have always had a thing for this horse. Go get'em ole man!!

The Bid · #2 03-15-2008, 01:01 AM

They probably cant beat the Larry Pilotti in there.

docicu3 · #3 03-15-2008, 01:50 AM

Maybe, but this is exactly the set up IR seems to get when he wins.....and the more rain the better. Pillotti's horse has never won at the distance and IR is only 5 for 17 at the distance at higher class levels at times. If youve seen IR do this enough times over the years you can almost smell it....

The Bid · #4 03-15-2008, 02:32 AM

I hope you are right if you are betting.

I wouldnt touch the race because I like Pilotti and hes going to be chalk. That open 14 is still probably stronger than the low level starter races hes been running. Not saying an old warrior like IR cannot win, I just think his best days are behind him and there are enough variables to get off him if you are making a large wager. Hes been nothing but consistant his entire life and his last three are starting to indicate he may have lost a step. I will be rooting for him as well

sumitas · #5 03-15-2008, 03:11 AM

I will at some point disclose my choices.

hoovesupsideyourhead · #6 03-15-2008, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Well, I'm sure I'm not the only one waiting with baited breath, so....

i havent left sence last night when posted..

kentuckyrosesinmay · #7 03-15-2008, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by docicu3

Every once in a while it's good to get a moment of the bitter taste of Typhoid Mary types like our "friend in his harness" the last two days. It just makes you appreciate the value of the people and discussion here when you flush a bowel movement like that guy.....

Okay bring on Saturday afternoon.....there is plenty of meat on this bone. Why do I have an uncontrollable urge to throw down early on Irish Rogue (ML 8-1) in the first at GP. The horse has only won 22 times even if he is 10 years old....

When your still working half miles in 48.2 and your last 3 workouts are bullets who cares if your pushing 11.....Does it work like dogs with years....a horses age is "X" times the real number. For a dog the number is 7 for instance

There is no shame in smiling with the trainer and family if he wins at $20 bucks or so....maybe it happens tomorrow or maybe the next time but the horse is a win machine in the right situation and he will win again when he is working like this IMO. I can't really justify it but I have always had a thing for this horse. Go get'em ole man!!

For a horse, it is 3 years so that would make this 10 year old only 30 in human years. Hunters, show jumpers, and dressage horses aren't their best until they are 10 to 15 years old most of the time. You can't even show a horse in the Olympics if they are under 8 years old via FEI rules. If you like the 10 year old, go for it. Age won't stop him from running a good race since it seems that he still shows a great interest in it.

paisjpq · #8 03-15-2008, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

For a horse, it is 3 years so that would make this 10 year old only 30 in human years. Hunters, show jumpers, and dressage horses aren't their best until they are 10 to 15 years old most of the time. You can't even show a horse in the Olympics if they are under 8 years old via FEI rules. If you like the 10 year old, go for it. Age won't stop him from running a good race since it seems that he still shows a great interest in it.

that is not accurate.
it is approximately 2.5 years in human equivalent only after the horse has reached maturity.
first year of life= 12 human years
2nd year= 7 human years
3rd, 4th and 5th year= 4 human years
all subsequent years are equal to about 2.5 years in human terms.

#9 03-15-2008, 11:39 AM

Oh here we go again...

Port Conway Lane · #10 03-15-2008, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by paisjpq

that is not accurate.
it is approximately 2.5 years in human equivalent only after the horse has reached maturity.
first year of life= 12 human years
2nd year= 7 human years
3rd, 4th and 5th year= 4 human years
all subsequent years are equal to about 2.5 years in human terms.

If the horse is a smoker it's 3.5 years per year after reaching maturity.

paisjpq · #11 03-15-2008, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Port Conway Lane

If the horse is a smoker it's 3.5 years per year after reaching maturity.

true

Cajungator26 · #12 03-15-2008, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Port Conway Lane

If the horse is a smoker it's 3.5 years per year after reaching maturity.

LMAO

I always knew there was a disadvantage to smoking that 'grass.'

kentuckyrosesinmay · #13 03-15-2008, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by paisjpq

that is not accurate.
it is approximately 2.5 years in human equivalent only after the horse has reached maturity.
first year of life= 12 human years
2nd year= 7 human years
3rd, 4th and 5th year= 4 human years
all subsequent years are equal to about 2.5 years in human terms.

Well, that would be right if you were just talking about some racetrack bred thoroughbreds, in which the numbers that you gave are also inaccurate for certain individuals.

The numbers that you gave are certainly not correct for all horses. I gave the average for all different breeds of horses because each animal is different, and no one can expect any number that you put up to be exactly accurate for every horse.

When do horses' bones stop growing?

paisjpq · #14 03-15-2008, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

Well, that would be right if you were just talking about some racetrack bred thoroughbreds, in which the numbers that you gave are also inaccurate for certain individuals.

The numbers that you gave are certainly not correct for all horses. I gave the average for all different breeds of horses because each animal is different, and no one can expect any number that you put up to be exactly accurate for every horse.

When do horses' bones stop growing?

the info that I posted is from the 2007 NAVC conference preceedings. I have faith that they know a hell of a lot more than you do.

kentuckyrosesinmay · #15 03-15-2008, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by paisjpq

the info that I posted is from the 2007 NAVC conference preceedings. I have faith that they know a hell of a lot more than you do.

It is not accurate for Warmbloods and Draft horses or for every light breed horse as well. Ask any international or Olympic rider. Some won't even start riding them until they are 4 years old because they are not mature enough.

I don't care what the a few vets believe and said about this at a conference. They have been wrong a lot of times. I mean, some vets here in America still believe in pin-firing.

Like I said, answer the question when do horses' bones stop growing and I will prove my point.

GPK · #16 03-15-2008, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

It is not accurate for Warmbloods and Draft horses or for every light breed horse as well. Ask any international or Olympic rider. Some won't even start riding them until they are 4 years old because they are not mature enough.

I don't care what the vets say about this. They have been wrong a lot of times. I mean, some vets here in America still believe in Cross-Firing.

Like I said, answer the question when do horses' bones stop growing and I will prove my point.

FTFY

Cajungator26 · #17 03-15-2008, 02:36 PM

Nobody is talking about warmbloods.

kentuckyrosesinmay · #18 03-15-2008, 02:38 PM

Not just talking about Warmbloods and Draft horses either. Even some light breed horses....

It depends on the individual...

That's why I gave the average number in the first place.

You would find a lot of vets that would disagree with the accuracy of those numbers from that conference for every horse.

My own horse would have been a very good example of the inaccuracy of those numbers.

Cajungator26 · #19 03-15-2008, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

Not just talking about Warmbloods and Draft horses either. Even some light breed horses....

It depends on the individual...

That's why I gave the average number in the first place.

You would find a lot of vets that would disagree with the accuracy of those numbers from that conference for every horse.

No offense, Jess...

I will go with Pais on anything she says regarding young thoroughbreds (which is the breed in question.) She has a lot more experience than you in regards to raising them. Our experience in the hunter/jumper world has very little to do with the racing industry.

To answer your question in regards to bone growth, it depends on which bone growth plate you're talking about and the breed of horse.

kentuckyrosesinmay · #20 03-15-2008, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

No offense, Jess...

I will go with Pais on anything she says regarding young thoroughbreds (which is the breed in question.) She has a lot more experience than you in regards to raising them. Our experience in the hunter/jumper world has very little to do with the racing industry.

To answer your question in regards to bone growth, it depends on which bone growth plate you're talking about and the breed of horse.

You just helped my argument. The NAVC was referring to all horses...not just Thoroughbreds. Those numbers cannot be taken at face value.

All I was asking for was the age range of when horses' bones are fully mature. In other words, the age range of when their bones stop maturing and growing. That is all I wanted to know.

Because I have had experience in both worlds and had extensive conversations with those who have worked in all the different fields in both worlds, the racehorse world and show horse world are not very different at all in alot of aspects. The horses breed the same, give birth the same, hunter Thoroughbreds mature and develop the same as racehorse Thoroughbreds, legs are iced after race/show jumping round, foaling barns are ran the same way, surgeries are the same, and yearlings are prepped for a sale in the same manner that we would prep a yearling for an in hand class minus the steroids, not trimming with scissors after the mane has been pulled, and not braiding. There are a lot of differences, but a lot of similarities.

No one on here except for one knows of my experiences or endeavors, and even that person hardly knows all of them. Nor will anyone on here know the extent of them. You are not qualified to speak on them.

Believe who you want to believe. I don't care.