Curlin and Pyro

[whodey17]

They worked in tandem this morning and, according to bloodhorse, only noses apart at the finish line. The 6 furlongs was timed in 1:13 (link below). My question is this, does working with Curlin help Pyro or does it make no difference at all? I could only think that working with a horse like Curlin could only help a 3 year old like Pyro. What are your thoughts (if any)?
http://racing.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=43412

[the_fat_man]

I could see this being an alltime long thread over at PA. Wow, Pyro working with the big horse. Imagine the possibilities.

[whodey17]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Why would it help him? I'm not being sarcastic, I don't see what the difference is if he works with Curlin or some other horse.

I was thinking along the lines of someone playing a game of ping pong or basketball with someone better that you and you get better by practicing with better talent. Does that make sense?

[King Glorious]

I don't see how it would help Pyro. If it would have any effect, it would be detrimental to Curlin if he's the type to run down to his competition. Running with a rat like Pyro won't help.

[whodey17]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Not really, seems like apples and oranges to me.

gotcha.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by whodey17

I was thinking along the lines of someone playing a game of ping pong or basketball with someone better that you and you get better by practicing with better talent. Does that make sense?

That makes sense but I don't think it applies much in horse racing.

[whodey17]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

You're obviously looking for a reaction, so I'll give you one. Considering your record with analyzing talent on here, how much should I laugh at this?

I laughed quite a bit at this. I just couldnt come up with a reaction.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

You're obviously looking for a reaction, so I'll give you one. Considering your record with analyzing talent on here, how much should I laugh at this?

My record? Tell me what this record is and then tell me how it compares to your record? I'd bet that we are pretty much close to the same when it comes to analyzing talent. I'd bet that pretty much everyone on here is close to the same.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

My record? Tell me what this record is and then tell me how it compares to your record? I'd bet that we are pretty much close to the same when it comes to analyzing talent. I'd bet that pretty much everyone on here is close to the same.

Forgetting for a minute about how utterly ridiculous your record is....

DaHoss hit four Pick-4s over the last two weeks....one paid $4400 for $1, one paid $2500 for $2 ( he had it multiple times ), one paid $2K for $2 ( he had it multiple times ) and sadly he only had the last one for $1.....which was still worth $5500 for his measly dollar.

[King Glorious]

So because I don't feel the need to post all of my wagers (winners and losers alike) means that I have no success at it or less than someone else? Ok. But DaHoss' comments weren't about wagering success. It was about analyzing talent. I ask again to tell me what my record is that is so bad and tell me what about other people's records is so good? We all see some horses and think they'll be good and they turn out bad. Or some we think will be bad that turn out good. Before DaHoss wants to tell me how bad my record is, tell me how good his is. That's all I ask.

[blackthroatedwind]

DaHoss has one of the better opinions around.

Your opinion is outrageous and rarely right. You're enthusiastic and enjoyable to banter with but my experience is that you are virtually never right.

I have watched DaHoss have one outstanding opinion after another over the last year, many of which resulted in agonizingly tough beats, and recently he seemed to recover from all his random bad luck in the blink of an eye. I would back his opinion over anyone else's on this board.

We're bettors. We play every day. DaHoss knows his stuff. Of that I have absolutely no doubt.

[pmayjr]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Forgetting for a minute about how utterly ridiculous your record is....

DaHoss hit four Pick-4s over the last two weeks....one paid $4400 for $1, one paid $2500 for $2 ( he had it multiple times ), one paid $2K for $2 ( he had it multiple times ) and sadly he only had the last one for $1.....which was still worth $5500 for his measly dollar.

My only problem with posting records like this is, nice predictions, but did you put your $$$ where your predictions were? Did DaHoss actually make the wagers on those predicitions? I hope so, but just sayin... I remember Byk giving priase to GPK for predicting a big pick 6 at Tampa last winter. But then I asked the same question- "Kev, did you actually bet your predictions?", He said "No". That sucks. I mean I want people to get paid, but just sayin, make the wager too.

You can argue that they posted those predictions before the races were run, so what's the difference? Well depending on the size and cost of the ticket, you don't know if people would actually the same way they'd predict.

IN THE END THOUGH, I FIGURE MOST OF US FROM A WAGERING AND ANALYZATION STANDPOINT ARE PRETTY EQUAL. WE ALL HAVE GOOD AND BAD DAYS. I prefer opinions about horses that haven't been wagered on, because I'd call a good horse "a pig" if I bet on it and didn't run well. But the great thing (and bad thing) about horse racing, is on one race you can look like a genious, and the next an idiot.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I don't see how it would help Pyro. If it would have any effect, it would be detrimental to Curlin if he's the type to run down to his competition. Running with a rat like Pyro won't help.

Maybe Asmussen ought to see if Baffert will let him work with Indian Blessing next week when she comes into NOLA. Will that help?

NT

[blackthroatedwind]

I am only interested in what people actually bet and don't use the word " hit " unless somebody bet and cashed.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by pmayjr

My only problem with posting records like this is, nice predictions, but did you put your $$$ where your predictions were? Did DaHoss actually make the wagers on those predicitions? I hope so, but just sayin... I remember Byk giving priase to GPK for predicting a big pick 6 at Tampa last winter. But then I asked the same question- "Kev, did you actually bet your predictions?", He said "No". That sucks. I mean I want people to get paid, but just sayin, make the wager too.

You can argue that they posted those predictions before the races were run, so what's the difference? Well depending on the size and cost of the ticket, you don't know if people would actually the same way they'd predict.

Hossy MADE those wagers.. He just choses not to publicize his plays whether successful or unsuccessful. And obviously, he's under no obligation to do so. The point was made above that the 'what's your record' challenges during discussions of opinion are utterly pointless.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by pmayjr

IN THE END THOUGH, I FIGURE MOST OF US FROM A WAGERING AND ANALYZATION STANDPOINT ARE PRETTY EQUAL. WE ALL HAVE GOOD AND BAD DAYS. I prefer opinions about horses that haven't been wagered on, because I'd call a good horse "a pig" if I bet on it and didn't run well. But the great thing (and bad thing) about horse racing, is on one race you can look like a genious, and the next an idiot.

Oh, I disagree with all of this in many ways.

Perhaps many here do have similar opinions, but there are some who's understanding of the game stands above the masses, and those are the ones I am more interested in hearing.

I respect pretty much only the opinions of those who bet their money, as if you don't suffer as a result of bad opinions, you will never learn to modify and improve your opinion. For that very reason, most opinions seen here are random and inconsequential, because there is no punishment for being wrong. Maybe you call a losing horse a " pig " but those of us who are playing seriously actually try to determine if we made a mistake, so as not to repeat it in the future, or if circumstance perhaps prevented a decent opinion from coming to fruition. A successful player will make more correct evaluations than an unsuccessful one over time.

Looking like a genius is wonderful for your ego....but making money is what playing this game is all about. At the end of the day that is what really matters.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

DaHoss has one of the better opinions around.

Your opinion is outrageous and rarely right. You're enthusiastic and enjoyable to banter with but my experience is that you are virtually never right.

I have watched DaHoss have one outstanding opinion after another over the last year, many of which resulted in agonizingly tough beats, and recently he seemed to recover from all his random bad luck in the blink of an eye. I would back his opinion over anyone else's on this board.

We're bettors. We play every day. DaHoss knows his stuff. Of that I have absolutely no doubt.

bingo........

Uh..

I'm still the best handicapper evar....


right guys?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Ok. But DaHoss' comments weren't about wagering success. It was about analyzing talent. I ask again to tell me what my record is that is so bad.

You need only look at your own Signature - and who you rank as the best horse to race in the last 22 years as a start....

[Scav]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Looking like a genius is wonderful for your ego....but making money is what playing this game is all about. At the end of the day that is what really matters.

Aint this the f'n truth.......