W/E Beyers via Ilman's FormBlog

[Kasept]

Weekend Beyers, etc.

Here are the winning Beyer Speed Figures for last week's stakes races:

*Don Rickles (Aqu): Stunt Man (G. Contessa/R. Dominguez) - 104
*Kenny Noe Jr. (Crc): Paradise Dancer (K. Ziadie/E. Trujillo) - 102
*Fred W. Hooper (Crc): Electrify (E. Plesa Jr./E. Trujillo) - 102
*W. L. McKnight (Crc): Presious Passion (M. Hartmann/E. Trujillo) - 101
*Kaiser (Crc): Blue Pepsi Lodge (K. Ziadie/E. Trujillo) - 100

*La Prevoyante (Crc): Redaspen (R. Baker/E. Castro) - 98
*Dahlia (Hol): Citronnade (R. Frankel/D. Flores) - 95
*Buddy Diliberto Memorial (FG): Sterwins (M. Pierce/M. Mena) - 95
*Hollywood Starlet (Hol): Country Star (R. Frankel/R. Bejarano) - 92
*Prairie Bayou (TP): Kettle Hill (I. Wilkes/W. Troilo) - 92
*Capote (Aqu): Grand Minstrel (J. Jerkens/E. Coa) - 91

*Ladies (Aqu): Wow Me Free (K. McLaughlin/A. Garcia) - 87
*Mesa (TuP): Bully Bones (D. La Croix/M. Hernandez) - 84
*Gold Rush (GG): El Gato Malo (C. Dollase/P. Valenzuela) - 84
*Squan Song (Lrl): For Kisses (R. Small/A. Napravnik) - 84
*Johnie L. Jamison (Sun): Romeos Wilson (F. Danley/A. Juarez Jr.) - 84
*Flat Fleet Feet (Aqu): Dinner Break (M. Hennig/A. Garcia) - 82
*New Mexico State Racing Commission (Sun): Peppers Pride (J. Marr/C. Madeira) - 82
*Kudzu Juvenile (FG): Royal Diana (J. Jones/G. Saez) - 82
*KLAQ (Sun): Ducky Drake (B. Hone/M. Villa) - 81
*Jim Edgar Illinois Futurity (Haw): Instill (J. Wainwright/C. Emigh) - 80
*Ocean Bay (TuP): Star of Whitney (D. Sowers/R. Eikleberry) - 80

*Chuck N Luck (TuP): Preferred Yield (R. Rennie/O. Martinez Jr.) - 76

[otisotisotis]

Steve or anyone,
do you think beyers for the artificial stuff are coming up square?
they still seem to be a little wacky sometimes.

[blackthroatedwind]

WOW! Do you realize a couple of those horses actually ran as fast as Contessa's latest 2YO NY Bred sensation did last week?

[blackthroatedwind]

And, on a related note, the single highest Beyer figure belonged to another Contessa horse.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by otisotisotis

Steve or anyone,
do you think beyers for the artificial stuff are coming up square?
they still seem to be a little wacky sometimes.

I think, because horses aren't really asked to run all out like they are on dirt for the entire race, figures tend to be a little low on the high end of the scale and a little high on the lower end of the scale. It is VERY similar to turf racing.

You could use the formula if you wanted to compare the figures to dirt:

(Beyer - 80) X 1.3 + 80

So, for example, a horse with a 100 Beyer would be:

(100 - 80) X 1.3 + 80 = 20 X 1.3 + 80 = 26 + 80 = 106

A horse with a 60 Beyer would be:

(60 - 80) X 1.3 + 80 = -20 X 1.3 + 80 = -26 + 80 = 54

This works for turf as well, if you want to compare figures on different surfaces. I don't think it is worth the effort, as figures earned on different surfaces mean little.

[Bigsmc]

..and to convert that whacky Celsius to Farenheit:

Farenheit = Celsius x 9/5 + 32

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

..and to convert that whacky Celsius to Farenheit:

Farenheit = Celsius x 9/5 + 32

Thanks Mr. Kelvin, I won't bother.

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

..and to convert that whacky Celsius to Farenheit:

Farenheit = Celsius x 9/5 + 32

Unfortunately I have to use this equation daily but find F = 1.8 X C + 32 as easier to work with.....can't believe I just admitted what a geek world I live in...

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

I think, because horses aren't really asked to run all out like they are on dirt for the entire race, figures tend to be a little low on the high end of the scale and a little high on the lower end of the scale. It is VERY similar to turf racing.

You could use the formula if you wanted to compare the figures to dirt:

(Beyer - 80) X 1.3 + 80

So, for example, a horse with a 100 Beyer would be:

(100 - 80) X 1.3 + 80 = 20 X 1.3 + 80 = 26 + 80 = 106

A horse with a 60 Beyer would be:

(60 - 80) X 1.3 + 80 = -20 X 1.3 + 80 = -26 + 80 = 54

This works for turf as well, if you want to compare figures on different surfaces. I don't think it is worth the effort, as figures earned on different surfaces mean little.

CJ,

Thanks for this.. Players that don't make/keep their own figs can get a better appreciation for creating the nuances by comprehending this kind of adjustment.

Not sure many noticed how sure you were Sunday of who was going to finish second behind, if not beat, Pepper's Pride. Having that little edge from pace or speed figuring is the differential in making the money necessary to stay ahead.

[otisotisotis]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

I think, because horses aren't really asked to run all out like they are on dirt for the entire race, figures tend to be a little low on the high end of the scale and a little high on the lower end of the scale. It is VERY similar to turf racing.

You could use the formula if you wanted to compare the figures to dirt:

(Beyer - 80) X 1.3 + 80

So, for example, a horse with a 100 Beyer would be:

(100 - 80) X 1.3 + 80 = 20 X 1.3 + 80 = 26 + 80 = 106

A horse with a 60 Beyer would be:

(60 - 80) X 1.3 + 80 = -20 X 1.3 + 80 = -26 + 80 = 54

This works for turf as well, if you want to compare figures on different surfaces. I don't think it is worth the effort, as figures earned on different surfaces mean little.

Thanks. That is a very good perspective.

[MISTERGEE]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

I think, because horses aren't really asked to run all out like they are on dirt for the entire race, figures tend to be a little low on the high end of the scale and a little high on the lower end of the scale. It is VERY similar to turf racing.

You could use the formula if you wanted to compare the figures to dirt:

(Beyer - 80) X 1.3 + 80

So, for example, a horse with a 100 Beyer would be:

(100 - 80) X 1.3 + 80 = 20 X 1.3 + 80 = 26 + 80 = 106

A horse with a 60 Beyer would be:

(60 - 80) X 1.3 + 80 = -20 X 1.3 + 80 = -26 + 80 = 54

This works for turf as well, if you want to compare figures on different surfaces. I don't think it is worth the effort, as figures earned on different surfaces mean little.

this may be a stupid question but did this make the slow get slower and the fast seem faster?

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by MISTERGEE

this may be a stupid question but did this make the slow get slower and the fast seem faster?

Yes, exactly. Did you ever notice polytrack and turf figures always seem to be lower than dirt figures in stakes races? And that the slow horses always get higher numbers on turf than on dirt?

[TitanSooner]

CJ, do you account for this already with your figures?

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by TitanSooner

CJ, do you account for this already with your figures?

No, I don't. I thought about doing it, but the way I do things it would produce some side effects I don't want. If I did final time only figures I absolutely would do it.

[declansharbor]

Thank you very much for putting that formula up.

[MISTERGEE]

are all the different synthetics interchangeable as far as this or are they all different?

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by MISTERGEE

are all the different synthetics interchangeable as far as this or are they all different?

I find them all pretty much the same. Some are faster than others, but they all are slower early than the dirt tracks they replaced, at least proportionally to the final times they produce.

Of course, the longer the race, the more this is compounded. Most races at 9f or longer are crap shoots as far as making figures go in my opinion.

[King Glorious]

El Gato Malo was the horse I came away the most impressed with from this weekend. He's my second ranked 2yo behind War Pass.