$40k gets you

Scav · #1 10-29-2007, 07:11 PM

Corinthian in the breeding shed

What is this world coming to

People should just give that 40k to a homeless person instead of spending it to get an unsound horse

Danzig · #2 10-29-2007, 08:13 PM

40k for corinthian....

i hope you read that in the onion.

SniperSB23 · #3 10-29-2007, 11:42 PM

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Corinthian in the breeding shed

What is this world coming to

People should just give that 40k to a homeless person instead of spending it to get an unsound horse

He made it through his 4yo season without a career ending injury. That's more than a large chunk of stallions out there can say. Didn't he have one layoff due to injury and one due to a skin infection? Doesn't sound that unsound to me.

The Indomitable DrugS · #4 10-30-2007, 12:26 AM

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Doesn't sound that unsound to me.

I'd say he was pretty unsound. He was all over the track against First Samurai when DQ'd in the Fountain of Youth.

He's also ran like an ouchy horse in a few other races this year.

His dam has dropped a pair of other very good horses - one of them, Desert Hero (the remarkable winner of the '96 San Rafeal) died at age 4 - the other, current 3yo Virtruvious....has had a messy career so far.

Pedigree Ann · #5 10-30-2007, 04:00 AM

Everybody in the breeding industry these days likes these big, heavily muscled sorts because they are impressive to look at. But without strong underpinings, these sorts are prone to leg and ankle problems. Forego was one of the earliest of the 'big bruiser' (bigger than Secretariat, in fact) sort at the very top that I remember and he had ouchy ankles all of his career (and no bute, by the way). At some point, one reaches the point of diminishing returns in size and support vs. speed and soundness.

Some big horses DO have the underpinnings to supoort their size - most of them descendents of Hail to Reason in some way. Anybody who wants to use Corinthian should take a good hard look at his lower legs and gaits before taking the plunge.

Getaway · #6 10-30-2007, 07:00 AM

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I'd say he was pretty unsound. He was all over the track against First Samurai when DQ'd in the Fountain of Youth.

He's also ran like an ouchy horse in a few other races this year.

His dam has dropped a pair of other very good horses - one of them, Desert Hero (the remarkable winner of the '96 San Rafeal) died at age 4 - the other, current 3yo Virtruvious....has had a messy career so far.

also has a full sister who won her 2YO debut very nicely in the slop for JJ.

paisjpq · #7 10-30-2007, 07:32 AM

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He made it through his 4yo season without a career ending injury. That's more than a large chunk of stallions out there can say. Didn't he have one layoff due to injury and one due to a skin infection? Doesn't sound that unsound to me.

his long layoff was because he fractured his hind ankle.....and while that may have no bearing on his offspring certainly hints that he may have been inherently unsound... and pass it on.
And Pulpit has a reputation for throwing fragile horses....quite frankly I haven't follwed him well enough to know whether he deserves it or not.

SniperSB23 · #8 10-30-2007, 09:11 AM

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I'd say he was pretty unsound. He was all over the track against First Samurai when DQ'd in the Fountain of Youth.

He's also ran like an ouchy horse in a few other races this year.

His dam has dropped a pair of other very good horses - one of them, Desert Hero (the remarkable winner of the '96 San Rafeal) died at age 4 - the other, current 3yo Virtruvious....has had a messy career so far.

He's certainly insane, I'll give you that. One minor ankle fracture though that required 30 days of walking hardly qualifies as unsound in the modern world of the thoroughbred. The majority of stallions out there have had some sort of issue like that. It always strikes me as strange that if a horse has one minor injury during training that they return from they are labeled unsound but when they have a major injury that forces their retirement they somehow escape that label.

Cannon Shell · #9 10-30-2007, 11:24 AM

Hind ankle injuries are often from non racing reasons like kicking stall walls, which 'crazy' horses tend to do. I thought in the current market climate that he was priced a bit high. Was thinking more like 25 to 30k. I prefer my sires to have fewer issues.

freddymo · #10 10-30-2007, 04:04 PM

Which stallion doesn't toss unsound fragile horses? Geez the industry is dominated by horses which race 6 times a year..

Danzig · #11 10-30-2007, 04:35 PM

street sense, 75k
hard spun, 50k

any given saturday wasn't on the list...

what are the odds he comes back at four??

Pedigree Ann · #12 10-30-2007, 04:44 PM

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street sense, 75k
hard spun, 50k

Actually, I would have thought that the prices would have been reversed. Hard Spun is one of the last of the sons of Danzig, a proven sire of sires, was unbeaten at 2, had the speed to beat specialist sprinters and the staying power to still be running at the end of top class 10f races. Street Sense is clearly a 2-turn horse, by a young sire with no proven record with regard to his sons' sire prowess. Hard Spun looks more in line with the market trends of these days.

Danzig · #13 10-30-2007, 04:50 PM

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Actually, I would have thought that the prices would have been reversed. Hard Spun is one of the last of the sons of Danzig, a proven sire of sires, was unbeaten at 2, had the speed to beat specialist sprinters and the staying power to still be running at the end of top class 10f races. Street Sense is clearly a 2-turn horse, by a young sire with no proven record with regard to his sons' sire prowess. Hard Spun looks more in line with the market trends of these days.

hard to put hard spun ahead of street sense due to that derby win. had hard spun won it, i could see him going for twice that, no question.

Cannon Shell · #14 10-30-2007, 04:53 PM

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Actually, I would have thought that the prices would have been reversed. Hard Spun is one of the last of the sons of Danzig, a proven sire of sires, was unbeaten at 2, had the speed to beat specialist sprinters and the staying power to still be running at the end of top class 10f races. Street Sense is clearly a 2-turn horse, by a young sire with no proven record with regard to his sons' sire prowess. Hard Spun looks more in line with the market trends of these days.

Though I'm sure he will be book full at 50k I would be surprised if his polytrack prowess isn't pointed out quite a bit in his advertisments

Danzig · #15 10-30-2007, 04:56 PM

i think hard spun will be getting a lot of looks from everyone, and could/should produce for each of the three surfaces. i like his chances as a sire.

Cannon Shell · #16 10-30-2007, 05:00 PM

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i think hard spun will be getting a lot of looks from everyone, and could/should produce for each of the three surfaces. i like his chances as a sire.

I think his synthetic record could help especially being that it has been a long time since a son of Danzig has made a big impact in N. America.

Danzig · #17 10-30-2007, 05:02 PM

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I think his synthetic record could help especially being that it has been a long time since a son of Danzig has made an impact in N. America.

yeah, it has been. but langfuhr is doing well lately, and i think hard spun will draw some good mares as well.

Cannon Shell · #18 10-30-2007, 05:13 PM

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yeah, it has been. but langfuhr is doing well lately, and i think hard spun will draw some good mares as well.

Lahgfuhr's dont sell real well, stud fees are more related to sales ability than race record...

The Indomitable DrugS · #19 10-30-2007, 05:38 PM

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I think his synthetic record could help especially being that it has been a long time since a son of Danzig has made a big impact in N. America.

I didn't think either of his two Turfway wins were that impressive.

For his ad they should write "Would have won the Ky Derby if a field of idiotic jockeys didn't allow Street Sense to pass 17 of the 19 other horses in the race, while never having to leave the live rail path."

Cannon Shell · #20 10-30-2007, 05:41 PM

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I didn't think either of his two Turfway wins were that impressive.

For his ad they should write "Would have won the Ky Derby if a field of idiotic jockeys didn't allow Street Sense to pass 17 of the 19 other horses in the race, while never having to leave the live rail path."

Perception trumps reality in the stallion business...at least until the horses hit the track