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[Riot]

From drf.com

Jockey Club favors ban on steroids
By MATT HEGARTY

The Jockey Club has endorsed a prohibition on the unregulated use of anabolic steroids and is willing to support penalties for owners whose horses test positive for illegal medications, the Jockey Club chairman, Ogden Mills "Dinny" Phipps, said Sunday.

[SniperSB23]

Oh, I thought Jamie Sanders won a race.

[XIIPointStables]

Originally Posted by Cardus

I thought that the Green Monkey was entered at Saratoga.

I thought so too!

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by Riot

From drf.com

Jockey Club favors ban on steroids
By MATT HEGARTY

The Jockey Club has endorsed a prohibition on the unregulated use of anabolic steroids and is willing to support penalties for owners whose horses test positive for illegal medications, the Jockey Club chairman, Ogden Mills "Dinny" Phipps, said Sunday.

I thought steroids had a legitimate use. Do they mean a ban on steroids on race days or always.

I'm on steroids right now.

[Left Bank]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

I thought steroids had a legitimate use. Do they mean a ban on steroids on race days or always.

I'm on steroids right now.

Judging by your avatar,you need them!!!

[Danzig]

i believe there are different types of steroids--anebolic being the one they're banning, not one meant for medicinal purposes.


i think. time for some google...

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by Kimmeastar

Judging by your avatar,you need them!!!

"I'm not no duct tape bandit. Ya heard me? Do da math, do da homework."


but seriously steroids are a double edged sword. I wouldn't take them but pain is a great motivator.

[Danzig]

ok, apparently from what i've seen, they're all anabolic. BUT there are some medicinal uses (which i knew, since i took them for back problems for about a week a few years ago) such as asthma. but it's the abuse, and illegal use that's the problem.

interesting tho, now that i think about it. steroids have an effect on the respiratory system. we all know how much air a horse needs to run effectively....is that one of the reasons why it's used? does it give a boost to the lungs?

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i believe there are different types of steroids--anebolic being the one they're banning, not one meant for medicinal purposes.


i think. time for some google...

Listening to At The Races...

I forget who Steve was talking to but it was about the ban. They don't plan on banning all use. There are 4 that are approved and they have to stop 30 days before a race.

There was more but I don't remember

[Riot]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

I thought steroids had a legitimate use. Do they mean a ban on steroids on race days or always.

I'm on steroids right now.

Prednisone for your allergies doesn't count ...

There are four legal (FDA-approved for use) ANABOLIC (pred isn't anabolic) steroids that have good and valid therapeutic uses in the horse. These (and designer steroids as common in human sports) can be misused to make a stronger, bigger horse, usually by adding muscle mass and increasing aggressiveness.

Steroids are also used off-track in young sale horses, to make them look well-muscled and mature like adults and bring more money in the sales ring (you buy a young horse, and a couple weeks later his muscle mass starts melting away ....)

They want to make any non-FDA-approved steroids illegal (as they should be, but they will need big bucks to try and develop testing to keep up on the designer steroid illegals from human use flowing into the racing community); and make the four legal anabolics not to be used within 30 days of racing (these are good drugs, and should be used under veterinary supervision when appropriate and the horse can benefit)

That The Jockey Club acknowledges there is a problem is stunning to me.

More stunning than to see The Green Monkey finally in a race (I don't hold his connections and sales price against this poor, handsome, well-bred horse - I hope he does very well)

But not as stunning as if Jamie Sanders won a race

RE: Wingnut's avatar ... this is a picture of a local Kentucky moron (close to home here) that wrapped duct tape around his head as a mask, in order to commit a robbery of a convenience store.

Yes, the only "mask" the moron could think of using was to wrap duct tape around his head.

The owner of the convenience store picked up his duct-tape-wrapped baseball bat, and did some damage to the moron.

The moron was picked up with the duct tape still around his face (the avatar is his police mugshot).

The moron subsequently gave an interview to a local TV station (from jail) denying any involvement, saying they couldn't prove he was the Duct Tape Bandit as nobody could see the bandit's face under duct tape.

I guess the metamphetamine jones kept the moron from remembering he was picked up with the duct tape still around his head, and the wounds from the convenience store owner's bat still on his mouth. As seen, above, in his mugshot.

The picture suits the guy

[Riot]

"I'm not no duct tape bandit. Ya heard me? Do da math, do da homework."

LOL ! This guy is so stupid, it's shocking ....

They aren't criminals because they are smart

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

Prednisone for your allergies doesn't count ...

There are four legal (FDA-approved for use) ANABOLIC (pred isn't anabolic) steroids that have good and valid therapeutic uses in the horse. These (and designer steroids as common in human sports) can be misused to make a stronger, bigger horse, usually by adding muscle mass and increasing aggressiveness.

Steroids are also used off-track in young sale horses, to make them look well-muscled and mature like adults and bring more money in the sales ring (you buy a young horse, and a couple weeks later his muscle mass starts melting away ....)

They want to make any non-FDA-approved steroids illegal (as they should be, but they will need big bucks to try and develop testing to keep up on the designer steroid illegals from human use flowing into the racing community); and make the four legal anabolics not to be used within 30 days of racing (these are good drugs, and should be used under veterinary supervision when appropriate and the horse can benefit)

That The Jockey Club acknowledges there is a problem is stunning to me.

More stunning than to see The Green Monkey finally in a race (I don't hold his connections and sales price against this poor, handsome, well-bred horse - I hope he does very well)

But not as stunning as if Jamie Sanders won a race

RE: Wingnut's avatar ... this is a picture of a local Kentucky moron (close to home here) that wrapped duct tape around his head as a mask, in order to commit a robbery of a convenience store.

Yes, the only "mask" the moron could think of using was to wrap duct tape around his head.

The owner of the convenience store picked up his duct-tape-wrapped baseball bat, and did some damage to the moron.

The moron was picked up with the duct tape still around his face (the avatar is his police mugshot).

The moron subsequently gave an interview to a local TV station (from jail) denying any involvement, saying they couldn't prove he was the Duct Tape Bandit as nobody could see the bandit's face under duct tape.

I guess the metamphetamine jones kept the moron from remembering he was picked up with the duct tape still around his head, and the wounds from the convenience store owner's bat still on his mouth. As seen, above, in his mugshot.

The picture suits the guy

thanks for the info! AND the duct tape story. almost as good as the guy who held a potted plant in front of his face to rob a bank...then peered between the branches to make sure the teller was giving him the loot. whoops!
i love stupid criminal stories.

[Riot]

There are different types of steroids - prednisone, prednisolone, etc. are of the anti-inflammatory class, the corticosteroids, and are not of concern here. You take these for asthma, lupus, some allergies, inflammatory arthritis, etc. Because they dampen down some immune system responses, a common side effect is infection when on long-term use.

The anabolic steroids increase cellular protein synthesis, and one of the side effects is muscle mass increase. Good if you have a horse who is older and thin, not doing well, a light-framed horse that was really wrung-out by a race, etc. That's a valid therapeutic use.

But just using them on a regular basis to make you bigger, stronger (like Bonds) should be illegal. These are the "designer" steroids made to escape detection by current testing capabilities.

So we should be clear we are talking only the "anabolic" steroids here, not all steroidal-class drugs.

[deltagulf]

well the u.s. should get up to par with the rest of the racing world.
and ban the use of drugs.

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by deltagulf

well the u.s. should get up to par with the rest of the racing world.
and ban the use of drugs.

the rest of the world is toothless and backward

[Riot]

Not if they judge the US by the guy in your avatar .....

[Riot]

Interesting article, about the testing for steroids that will begin next year for graded stakes.

Will be interesting to see what those horses look like.


http://www.bloodhorse.com/articleind...e.asp?id=39990

[Cannon Shell]

Putting a 30 day rule in will most likely lead to false positives and more trouble than its worth. The fact is that anabolic steroids are easily genetically engineered and made undetectable to current testing thus giving the cheaters one more advantage over the non cheaters. It will also give the elite trainers one more excuse to give their horses fewer and more spaced out races. "Cant run because we needed a some Winstrol, got to have another 22 days to clear the system."

[Riot]

Am I also understanding this correctly - that the Graded Stakes Committee will test for these substances, but it is still up to the respective jurisdictions to implement any penalties, if they so desire?

We need national standards.

And yes, I thought about the increased spacing of races, too ...

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Am I also understanding this correctly - that the Graded Stakes Committee will test for these substances, but it is still up to the respective jurisdictions to implement any penalties, if they so desire?

We need national standards.

And yes, I thought about the increased spacing of races, too ...

Honestly I thought the most amazing thing coming out of the JC round table was Dinny saying that the Jockey Club would support owners being suspended in serious medication violations.