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[robfla]

he is in the Commowealth BC 7f G2 Saturday

what is physically wrong with him? I really liked this horse last year. he looked so good on the track early January, against Kelly's Landing ( he should have won ). then next start in Feb. he looked like a beat up horse before, during, and after the race. He looked terrible.

I'm actually glad to see Bejerano off for JJ, he must have a commitment w/ Miller due to Dominican. don't see alot of real G2 speed in there. Maybe he can sit a good trip. He'll probably go off between 8 and 12 : 1

worth a shot?

[POINTGIVEN1985]

Originally Posted by robfla

he is in the Commowealth BC 7f G2 Saturday

what is physically wrong with him? I really liked this horse last year. he looked so good on the track early January, against Kelly's Landing ( he should have won ). then next start in Feb. he looked like a beat up horse before, during, and after the race. He looked terrible.

I'm actually glad to see Bejerano off for JJ, he must have a commitment w/ Miller due to Dominican. don't see alot of real G2 speed in there. Maybe he can sit a good trip. He'll probably go off between 8 and 12 : 1

worth a shot?

i dont like him at all in here, i will be playing the ntra pick 4 this race is a part of it, i will be going 4 deep in here....... Silent Name,Ramsgate,Steel Light, and River City Rebel, those are the 4 that i like....

[lemoncrush]

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

i dont like him at all in here, i will be playing the ntra pick 4 this race is a part of it, i will be going 4 deep in here....... Silent Name,Ramsgate,Steel Light, and River City Rebel, those are the 4 that i like....

wow...i'll actually use 3 of those 4, too..
I'll add midnite lute instead of river city rebel.

[POINTGIVEN1985]

Originally Posted by lemoncrush

wow...i'll actually use 3 of those 4, too..
I'll add midnite lute instead of river city rebel.

like someone else said on another thread the fact that victor dosent come in to ride midnite lute turns me off in a big way, and river city rebel was very impressive last time out.

[POINTGIVEN1985]

read the ntra national pick 4 thread in the selections section......

[brianwspencer]

I may be a sucker, and I'm likely not playing it anyway -- but Gin and Sin scares me just about every time out. I think he's got tons of talent and has gotten his share of less than ideal trips, even going back to the Prairie Bayou (?) at Turfway and then the Mac Diarmida at Gulfstream.

He doesn't sport the gaudy stats of some of the others in there, but he ran his career best race over this surface last fall.

And just so I can't guarantee the last and second last exacta, I'd not discount Lewis Michael either, if we're fishing for a price in a race that seems pretty open . He ran one of the best two races of his life over this surface in a GII last fall and his style could be to his advantage over a quirky surface. The shape of the race seems like it will determine his involvement or lack thereof, but on his best, he's a contender in here.

Obviously, they're both fringe contenders, but I wouldn't be shocked to see either of them run really well on Saturday.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

I may be a sucker, and I'm likely not playing it anyway -- but Gin and Sin scares me just about every time out.

Do you ever bet anything? Every post I see you make, it's "I'm not betting it, but.." or "I didn't bet it, but.."

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Do you ever bet anything? Every post I see you make, it's "I'm not betting it, but.." or "I didn't bet it, but.."

Yes I do, but not when I'm at work, I don't bet. My life would be boring if I didn't add my opinions on work days.

I'm never going to become a better handicapper only handicapping two days a week, so I cap cards even when I'm not playing them because I'm at work.

And to boot, I very very rarely say "I didn't bet it, but...."

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Yes I do, but not when I'm at work, I don't bet. My life would be boring if I didn't add my opinions on work days.

I'm never going to become a better handicapper only handicapping two days a week, so I cap cards even when I'm not playing them because I'm at work.

And to boot, I very rarely say "I didn't bet it, but...."

You work on Saturdays?

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

You work on Saturdays?

Sure 'nuff.

Only for a bit more -- the job I'm waiting to hear back from is M-F. Huge deal for me to be able to play big race days again.

[POINTGIVEN1985]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

I may be a sucker, and I'm likely not playing it anyway -- but Gin and Sin scares me just about every time out. I think he's got tons of talent and has gotten his share of less than ideal trips, even going back to the Prairie Bayou (?) at Turfway and then the Mac Diarmida at Gulfstream.

He doesn't sport the gaudy stats of some of the others in there, but he ran his career best race over this surface last fall.

And just so I can't guarantee the last and second last exacta, I'd not discount Lewis Michael either, if we're fishing for a price in a race that seems pretty open . He ran one of the best two races of his life over this surface in a GII last fall and his style could be to his advantage over a quirky surface. The shape of the race seems like it will determine his involvement or lack thereof, but on his best, he's a contender in here.

Obviously, they're both fringe contenders, but I wouldn't be shocked to see either of them run really well on Saturday.

what do you do, for work ? you might not value my opinion but i looked at this race for a long time and i tried hard to make myself like lewis michael, and i couldnt, i just dont think he has any shot at all

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

what do you do, for work ? you might not value my opinion but i looked at this race for a long time and i tried hard to make myself like lewis michael, and i couldnt, i just dont think he has any shot at all

First, I looked hard at this race because it's got a horse that I've been waiting for -- Gin and Sin who I've had a few times and who I really thought had a legit shot his last two out (the first I excused entirely in the Selections room, the second...who knows what happened except he got outrun).

Lewis is the all or nothing type. When he actually runs he's competitive with this type. His very best races would put him in contention here, and one of his very best races ever came this past fall on the Poly at Keeneland. He's second back off the layoff and Catalano sports wicked numbers second back (31%). He had an appropriate comeback on the lawn at Gulfstream and it didn't seem particularly taxing but was a good return race after the BC Sprint in which he got beat less than a dozen lengths in what I thought was a good race at the time (and by that I mean that the result validated itself at THAT time of the year with the follow up races. Of course the top three have tailed off, less Friendly Island who acquitted himself nicely). He seems to have two gears -- one being to go for the lead and the other to be content to follow and "pounce." I feel like this race has the possibility to set him up for his stalking gear and that at the price he will be, he deserves a long look in any exotic wager at the very least.

ps -- i work in the cable television/high speed internet/VOIP industry

edit: I value opinions and discussion. If you've got discussion, I'm always up for it.

[POINTGIVEN1985]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

First, I looked hard at this race because it's got a horse that I've been waiting for -- Gin and Sin who I've had a few times and who I really thought had a legit shot his last two out (the first I excused entirely in the Selections room, the second...who knows what happened except he got outrun).

Lewis is the all or nothing type. When he actually runs he's competitive with this type. His very best races would put him in contention here, and one of his very best races ever came this past fall on the Poly at Keeneland. He's second back off the layoff and Catalano sports wicked numbers second back (31%). He had an appropriate comeback on the lawn at Gulfstream and it didn't seem particularly taxing but was a good return race after the BC Sprint in which he got beat less than a dozen lengths in what I thought was a good race at the time (and by that I mean that the result validated itself at THAT time of the year with the follow up races. Of course the top three have tailed off, less Friendly Island who acquitted himself nicely). He seems to have two gears -- one being to go for the lead and the other to be content to follow and "pounce." I feel like this race has the possibility to set him up for his stalking gear and that at the price he will be, he deserves a long look in any exotic wager at the very least.

ps -- i work in the cable television/high speed internet/VOIP industry

edit: I value opinions and discussion. If you've got discussion, I'm always up for it.

i will go take another look, i just dident see it

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

i will go take another look, i just dident see it

Not saying you have to, dude. Just pointing out why I won't be surprised if he runs well Saturday.

[POINTGIVEN1985]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Not saying you have to, dude. Just pointing out why I won't be surprised if he runs well Saturday.

i know, but i want to cover myself, im playing the ntra national pick 4 and i knew i had to go deep in this race, so if i have to throw another one in i will.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

i know, but i want to cover myself, im playing the ntra national pick 4 and i knew i had to go deep in this race, so if i have to throw another one in i will.

What'd you end up coming up with?

[sumitas]

HF (Talk Is Money) set a 114 Beyer (top 3 Beyer in '07) on 5/27, 8F @ Bel 133:54...excuse me if this has been posted before.