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Kasept 04-13-2010 10:26 AM

DERBY NOTES: Uh Oh.. No Bango; Noble's Promise 50-50
 
Uh Oh Bango injured, out of Derby
By Jay Privman

Uh Oh Bango, the fourth-place finisher in the Arkansas Derby and the 21st horse on the list of graded earnings among prospects for the May 1 Kentucky Derby, came out of the race Saturday with a fractured left front cannon bone and will be sidelined from four to six months, his trainer, Kory Owens, said Tuesday morning.

"He's going to have surgery sometime this week in Oklahoma, where a lot of people at Oaklawn send their horses," Owens said from Turf Paradise in Phoenix, where he is based during the winter. "He cooled out okay after the race, but the next day, we could tell something was not really right. He'll have a screw put in it. He should be out four to six months."

Uh Oh Bango's defection, and the continued uncertain status of Noble's Promise, helps horses on the bubble in terms of Derby earnings, such as Jackson Bend and Backtalk.

VOL JACK 04-13-2010 10:37 AM

too bad....he is a nice horse.

they are dropping like flies.

Kasept 04-13-2010 10:49 AM

McPeek puts Noble's Promise at 50-50 for Derby
By Marty McGee

LOUISVILLE, Ky. - Trainer Ken McPeek said Tuesday morning that Noble's Promise, second on the graded earnings list and a potential key domino in who does and doesn't make the field for the May 1 Kentucky Derby, is "maybe 50-50 to make the race."

Noble's Promise colt emerged from his fifth-place finish in the Arkansas Derby with cuts and scrapes and a lung infection. The Cuvee colt has $738,000 in graded earnings, second only to Lookin At Lucky on a lengthy list that extends far beyond the 20-horse cutoff point.

"He went to my farm [Magdalena] in Lexington [on Monday], and he'll stay there until we bring him over to Churchill Downs very early Thursday morning," said McPeek. "He'll gallop after the break Thursday, and if all goes smooth, he'll work on the 20th or 21st.

"The cuts are a non-issue; we're already taking care of them. His status for the Derby will depend a lot on how he works and how he scopes after."

tjfla 04-13-2010 10:54 AM

Gotta love the excuses of why a horse didn't run

Ran 5th cause of a lung infection? Is that what McPeek is saying or he just got it in past 2 days?

Also I wouldn't mind Jackson Bend in the race to add more speed at the front however is there any chance he even makes it around the 1st turn:D

tector 04-13-2010 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VOL JACK (Post 635714)
too bad....he is a nice horse.

they are dropping like flies.

Pretty typical, actually. Last year you had the two faves drop out--that's bad.

slotdirt 04-13-2010 11:10 AM

Yeah, last year was way worse. Nowhere to Hide. Flying Private. Mine that Bird. Er...

Kasept 04-13-2010 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by tjfla (Post 635720)
Also I wouldn't mind Jackson Bend in the race to add more speed at the front however is there any chance he even makes it around the 1st turn:D

'Any chance he makes it around the first turn'? What's that supposed to mean? For starters, he isn't a speed horse or need the lead type in the slightest. Jackson Bend has repeatedly demonstrated uncommon gameness and has already outrun his pedigree in a career that has seen him finish, let's see, no worse than 2nd in 9 career starts. His efforts in the Fountain and Wood leave some doubt as to how honest he is? I personally would prefer to see him tackle more suitable targets, but you best believe he will give everything he has when many others have quit by the eighth pole.

the_fat_man 04-13-2010 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 635726)
Jackson Bend has repeatedly demonstrated uncommon gameness and has already outrun his pedigree in a career that has seen him finish, let's see, no worse than 2nd in 9 career starts. His efforts in the Fountain and Wood leave some doubt as to how honest he is? I personally would prefer to see him tackle more suitable targets, but you best believe he will give everything he has when many others have quit by the eighth pole.

Much has been made about how Awesome Act was supposed to get by him in the Wood. I just don't see it with this horse. Where's his good race? Clearly, he has a knack for hanging around but that only gets you home when good fortune knocks.

tjfla 04-13-2010 11:52 AM

I like Jackson Bend as well

More speed at the front I meant as he can push them if need be(Didnt mean he was a front runner speed only horse)

Also agree he is a horse that wont give up,I just dont think he will factor in with the other horses out at the end is what I meant. He has shown he can run on dirt as well as push horses.

Kasept 04-13-2010 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man (Post 635730)
Much has been made about how Awesome Act was supposed to get by him in the Wood. I just don't see it with this horse. Where's his good race? Clearly, he has a knack for hanging around but that only gets you home when good fortune knocks.

There's nothing to see or get... He is what he is. He's never been worse than 2nd in 9 starts. That's not an accident. He's a commonly bred hard-trying type. A quintessential "Calder horse". A knack for hanging around = keeps trying when supposedly classier foes quit.

randallscott35 04-13-2010 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 635732)
There's nothing to see or get... He is what he is. He's never been worse than 2nd in 9 starts. That's not an accident. He's a commonly bred hard-trying type. A quintessential "Calder horse". A knack for hanging around = keeps trying when supposedly classier foes quit.

I'd be happy to own this kind of ATM horse.

Linny 04-13-2010 12:04 PM

AA did get by Jackson Bend briefly but JB came back on him. He's a tough horse. He's been beaten 9+ by Eskendereya in his last two, but he was clearly best of the rest both times.

tector 04-13-2010 12:15 PM

JB could have a very nice career in Gr. 2 & 3 races.

He was one of three horse I bought futures on back in November (Eskendereya and Buddy's Saint being the other two). I don't think JB has a chance in the Derby on this projected field, but there is nothing to knock on him except he is a bit out of his league--he's a gutty little SOB.

And if he were to win, somehow, it would be probably be called a "bad" Derby, but it would make me very happy, and not just because of the future book ticket.

randallscott35 04-13-2010 12:16 PM

More Than Ready held on for 4th. See no reason JB couldn't do the same.

jjf1031 04-13-2010 12:35 PM

It amazes me that JB has simply disappeared of many analyst's radar...a striggle to find him in many people's top ten or twenty...DRF put him back in this week but had him out the last two. Haskin has him nowhere near top 12. He was a well beaten but capable second to a possible odds on derby favorite, yet all I have heard is how he CANT get the distance. While I agree that he is not a logical horse to win the derby, no one can say he does not belong in the field. I also have him in a future book bet from this past November, but have really come to appreciate how hard he runs and his heart. Any idea who would ride him if he does get in? I believe Borel will probably stick with Super Saver

philcski 04-13-2010 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 635745)
More Than Ready held on for 4th. See no reason JB couldn't do the same.

Funny you mention him. I was at Vinery yesterday and the poor guy was set to mount his 3rd mare of the day and couldn't get it up.

All I could think about was this being the polar opposite to Sumitas' legendary post.

slotdirt 04-13-2010 12:51 PM

I don't think Jackson Bend is going to win, but that horse has guts. No doubt about that.

parsixfarms 04-13-2010 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski (Post 635753)
Funny you mention him. I was at Vinery yesterday and the poor guy was set to mount his 3rd mare of the day and couldn't get it up.

Given his pedigree and size, I doubt that Jackson Bend will ever have to worry about that problem. (And I say that liking the horse.)

lemoncrush 04-13-2010 02:48 PM

I assume the poster meant that Jackson Bend might not make it around the first turn, simply because of his small stature in a 20-horse field.
I've become an admirer of the horse, as he's shown more heart and determination than most of the 3-year olds.

I kind of like the top horses that have come out of that Flordia stallion series of races over the past few years (Big Drama, In Summation, High Fly, etc..).

Bigsmc 04-13-2010 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski (Post 635753)
Funny you mention him. I was at Vinery yesterday and the poor guy was set to mount his 3rd mare of the day and couldn't get it up.

All I could think about was this being the polar opposite to Sumitas' legendary post.

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22101

philcski 04-13-2010 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigsmc (Post 635796)

Best post evarrrrrrr

VOL JACK 04-13-2010 03:43 PM

I think Byk has already said it before.
Jackson Bend would be a perfect horse to point for the other Derby's.
he could really make a lot of $$$ if spotted right this year.

Alan07 04-13-2010 05:47 PM

NBC revealed it's Derby/Preakness broadcast team today:

Bob Costas, Tom Hammond, Gary Stevens, Donna Brothers, Kenny Rice, Bob Neumeier, Mike Battaglia

Thunder Gulch 04-13-2010 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan07 (Post 635830)
NBC revealed it's Derby/Preakness broadcast team today:

Bob Costas, Tom Hammond, Gary Stevens, Donna Brothers, Bob Neumeier, Mike Battaglia, Kenny Rice

Am I the only one or is Donna Brothers just a first rate analyst? She seems to say things about horses- good or bad- that others are either afraid to say, or just don't understand.

tector 04-13-2010 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Thunder Gulch (Post 635852)
Am I the only one or is Donna Brothers just a first rate analyst? She seems to say things about horses- good or bad- that others are either afraid to say, or just don't understand.

It is also relative--consider the people around her. No wonder she stands out.

Merlinsky 04-13-2010 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bigsmc (Post 635796)

I missed that thread the first time through. Glad I'm no longer the only one unscarred. I'm still in awe of it as a supreme example of TMI.

chucklestheclown 04-14-2010 12:24 AM

Every time I watch Jackson Bend come (no pun intended) ITM I think about taking him more seriously. I guess this thread is the icing on the cake (no pun...nevermind).

VOL JACK 04-14-2010 07:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tector (Post 635894)
It is also relative--consider the people around her. No wonder she stands out.

Stevens couldn't get the Blugrass winners name right.
Hammonds finally told him, 'it is Stately Victor, not Stately Warrior.'

-BT- 04-14-2010 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VOL JACK (Post 635921)
Stevens couldn't get the Blugrass winners name right.
Hammonds finally told him, 'it is Stately Victor, not Stately Warrior.'

he (stevens) also catapulted stately victor into his derby top 7 after the blue grass, b/c he said this guy alan garcia is going places...... TOP 7 :eek:

-bt-

jjf1031 04-14-2010 09:28 AM

Mike Smith on Jackson Bend if he gets in per DRF

NTamm1215 04-14-2010 09:30 AM

WinStar has most of their Derby riders firmed up. Albarado will be on Endorsement and Borel on Super Saver, no surprises there.

The only WinStar horse with no rider so far is Rule but I think Dominguez is getting the mount.

NT

slotdirt 04-14-2010 10:14 AM

I never know what to make of jockey decisions, but it is interesting to note that Albarado is going with Endorsement regardless of what happens with Noble's Promise.

NTamm1215 04-14-2010 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt (Post 635952)
I never know what to make of jockey decisions, but it is interesting to note that Albarado is going with Endorsement regardless of what happens with Noble's Promise.

Apparently he made the decision right after the Sunland Derby according to Elliott Walden.

If Borel somehow gets his 3rd Derby aboard Super Saver then he is officially the greatest jockey to ride at CD:)

NT

rpncaine 04-14-2010 10:30 AM

Borel posted on his Facebook this morning that he is on Super Saver.

the_fat_man 04-14-2010 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slotdirt (Post 635952)
I never know what to make of jockey decisions, but it is interesting to note that Albarado is going with Endorsement regardless of what happens with Noble's Promise.

Interesting to some but FORTUITOUS for NP (should he make the Derby). Is there are worse 'big name' jock than Albarado. (And so many others are fighting for the distinction)

NTamm1215 04-14-2010 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man (Post 635966)
Interesting to some but FORTUITOUS for NP (should he make the Derby). Is there are worse 'big name' jock than Albarado. (And so many others are fighting for the distinction)

I had given it to Johnny V years ago but Robby's in the running.

NT

the_fat_man 04-14-2010 11:08 AM

But Johnny V can win you the close one with the come again dueler. Of course, this only happens when the Pletcher good stuff is flowing.:rolleyes:

Someone asked me why I refer to jocks, in general, as 'RETARDS'. I challenge anyone (with some knowledge of trips) to watch a few of Albarado's rides and come up with another explanation for them.

Coach Pants 04-14-2010 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rpncaine (Post 635959)
Borel posted on his Facebook this morning that he is on Super Saver.

Borel uses a computer?

tjfla 04-14-2010 11:39 AM

All I know is Super Saver will be on some of my tickets just cause of Borel.

What I am saying-the guy could ride a mule in the KD and I wouldnt toss him

-BT- 04-14-2010 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 635955)
Apparently he made the decision right after the Sunland Derby according to Elliott Walden.

If Borel somehow gets his 3rd Derby aboard Super Saver then he is officially the greatest jockey to ride at CD:)
NT

if they let him anywhere near the rail this year every jock in the race should be given days... they might put him on the turf course this year if does that rail riding

-bt-


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