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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Admit it they are quite comparable. Not hard to believe Nelson averaged more assists in college considering he played with an NBA backcourt mate who was good enough for the Celtics to sign this off season. When you have to resort to that you know you are grasping at straws. The point that I have been making is that they have comparable skill sets not they are identical twins or even equal in ability. You act as though I said the guy was similar to Shaq.
You seem to have some sort of racial bias considering you keep reminding us that Fredette is white. I know in the games I saw him play (maybe 4 times admittedly not that much since I probably have watched Nelson play 30 times this year) he didn't look slow to me. He isnt Tony Parker fast or Ramon Sessions fast but he isn't Bill Cartwright like you are making him out to be. Honestly how many times have you ever seen him play?
I would love to know how you know a guy doesn't have passing skills or floor reading ability since he obviously has been playing a different role in college and wasn't asked to do much traditional PG work. Of course you said Derrick Rose couldn't shoot and had no three point shooting ability which he obviously has shown he has this year. Did you think Russell Westbrook who averaged 12 and 4 the year prior to coming to the NBA would be averaging 22 and 8 three years later? He shot 68% FT's in college and 82% in the NBA. Did you see that coming as well?
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Derek Rose and Russell Westbrook are so incredibly athletic that defenders have to give them five feet or risk being blown by. Shooting ability isn't speed or athleticism. You can become a better shooter but at 22, you aren't going to get any quicker. Rose's improvement in shooting ability has surprised me...no doubt. I didn't expect him to get this good and certainly not this fast. But he is a completely different realm of athlete.
I have watch fredette play since he was a freshman coming off the bench when Ainge's son was at BYU. It was one of the seasons that Bzdelik was coaching at Air Force and that program was actually relevant...to the MWC at least. Fredette was the spark off the bench. Now how many of those games did you watch Chuck?
As far as the Delonte thing, I totally forgot that him and Nelson were backcourt mates at St Joes! Now, was that a concidence or a freudian slip when you compared Fredette to Jameer Nelson? There are much better comparisons than Jameer Nelson. Wouldn't Alford be a much better comparison? Or even Fred Hoiberg? Or Chris Jackson? Chris Jackson could be a great comparison although not nearly as athletic (and no tourrette's).
The margin for success in the NBA is slim and it gets slimmer the smaller the player is. Fredette doesn't look slow because as you and slowdirt pointed out, he plays against mid majors. He looked pretty slow against Florida. He even looked pretty slow against Wofford. Can you imagine how slow he would have looked against Uconn or Duke????