Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I love this comment by you....


" How does the betting public understand that the horse didn't give his all which equated to the beyer fig on any given performance then? It doesn't say it in the Form and people can't watch and take record of EVERY single horse race run in North America..."

For you to suggest that the betting public that uses Beyer figures doesn't, and somehow shouldn't, understand what they are based on shows a shocking lack of knowledge on your part. Who knew you thought so many people, who it actually seems are more knowledgable than you at least on this subject, were clueless. I am impressed that you would continue to stubbornly try and defend your position on this one.

And then you use something Bill Hartack said to defend the sheets use of the wides??? That's great. Who knew he was a great handicapper too. The simple fact is I explained why I don't agree with their use of the " wides ", and I also said I respect their numbers intellectually but just happen to disagree with them, and the best you can do is come up with a quote from a JOCKEY!!! and tell me that I should respect them because some trainers use them? Pardon me, but I will stand by my analysis over some trainers who's handicapping skills I know nothing about. I do know that I would like to specifically be at least one of those you mentioned's bookmaker.

I don't " have a problem " with your personal comments...I was just pointing out the hypocracy in your making them considering what you whined about last week. That's all. I actually found your's amusing because of their simplicity, inaccuracy, and transparency.

I don't care, and nor would I guess Beyer would, whether you like him or not. I was, once again, just pointing out the silliness of your comments. I am still waiting for that other list you mentioned.

Joel, I didn't bring the Beyer figs into this discussion, you did...and in a snide way. I am just trying to clean up the mess you created. God knows I wouldn't want some of those sadly uninformed people that you referred to in the initial quote I used to continue to misuse ( and misunderstand ) his numbers.