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johnny rotten 04-24-2012 07:14 PM

Carey Fotias Equiform
 
Has anybody out there heard much about this handicapper and his figures. He makes a final speed figure combining early pace figs and final time to come up with a beyer like figure, and graphs it out like some of the other speed sheets. Personally , I haven't had much success with that type of thing, as early fractional times are based on too many unknown factors, such as jockey intent, track variant, wind, runup, distance, etc.. Final figs at least give you a few straws to grasp at. Any way , apparently James Quinn has said good things about Fotias. Let me know if you've used his figs and what you think.;)

Riot 04-24-2012 08:08 PM

I've never used his figs, but he used to be a frequent guest on the handicapping show at Saratoga, and I always liked his take on the races, very sharp and knowledgable. BTW could possibly comment.

pointman 04-24-2012 08:10 PM

Fat charts?

Thunder Gulch 04-25-2012 08:44 AM

I use his Xtras and like his material. If you try them, read his book. He is similar to Thorograph and Rags in that he looks for patterns, but he looks for pace patterns in conjunction with final figure patterns to make his selections. In a nutshell, it's the old "flashed early speed" idea to point to improving form. He does produce excellent pace figures IMO, certainly better than Bris (which I like) or Moss (who I also like).

johnny rotten 04-25-2012 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Thunder Gulch (Post 855424)
I use his Xtras and like his material. If you try them, read his book. He is similar to Thorograph and Rags in that he looks for patterns, but he looks for pace patterns in conjunction with final figure patterns to make his selections. In a nutshell, it's the old "flashed early speed" idea to point to improving form. He does produce excellent pace figures IMO, certainly better than Bris (which I like) or Moss (who I also like).

Sounds like a nice endorsement. That's funny , I had forgotten about the "THE OLD FLASHED EARLY SPEED PLAY". It seems like the more sophisticated my handicapping has become, the more I overlook what is obvious to the other 99 percent of handicappers.


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