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Cannon Shell 08-27-2009 01:19 PM

Jocks refusing to ride at AP
 
stay tuned

Riot 08-27-2009 01:23 PM

Give a hint - track conditions?

brianwspencer 08-27-2009 01:25 PM

On their way through the tunnel for race 1 now it looks like...

jballscalls 08-27-2009 01:37 PM

is the jockey Polytrack revolt starting??

Cannon Shell 08-27-2009 01:40 PM

Supposedly there are still a few that are thinking of opting off. RD talked the rest out of it. The word is that they are worried about injuries but not sure the correlation between the track surface and the injuries at AP.

GBBob 08-27-2009 01:40 PM

Word has it that Thornton and Emigh off all mounts..maybe more?

Riot 08-27-2009 01:58 PM

I just heard that there was concern as a young jock got severely injured yesterday, but it was on a horse in the last that dropped dead (didn't break down).

The person I talked to said jocks were working horses on the track this am, and they didn't hear jocks or agents talking about refusing to ride this am.

Scav 08-27-2009 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
I just heard that there was concern as a young jock got severely injured yesterday, but it was on a horse in the last that dropped dead (didn't break down).

The person I talked to said jocks were working horses on the track this am, and they didn't hear jocks or agents talking about refusing to ride this am.

You heard wrong. They were united early AM today not to ride, and only two ended up not riding.

Arlington is very very stressful right now as the polytrack debate is hot right now. I saw two trainers talking (arguing) about the effects of polytrack. One loved it and the other talked about horses being really muscle sore on it. I am not a trainer so I have no idea, Chuck would

One trainer went right up to Mr. D and said "Mr. D, the track is like a pillow, it is beautiful"

As I heard Mr. D say, what happened to Rene and Mike was because of race riding, the horses did not break down. You can't control clipped heels or a heart attack.

GBBob 08-27-2009 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
I just heard that there was concern as a young jock got severely injured yesterday, but it was on a horse in the last that dropped dead (didn't break down).

The person I talked to said jocks were working horses on the track this am, and they didn't hear jocks or agents talking about refusing to ride this am.


The concern is primarily what happens to the jock when he lands on this surface versus dirt, grass, etc. The jocks have always said they hate landing on Poly because you just stick to it, but the tragedies involving Rene and Mike are making this a much more critical issue now.

Scav 08-27-2009 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob
The concern is primarily what happens to the jock when he lands on this surface versus dirt, grass, etc. The jocks have always said they hate landing on Poly because you just stick to it, but the tragedies involving Rene and Mike are making this a much more critical issue now.

Exactly.....I forgot to mention that.

On sand, I guess you slide a little so the impact is different.

As I told a jock agent today, I am 6 foot and 250lbs, I won't be going 35MPH on a horse anytime soon, so those guys can do what they feel is right :)

Left Bank 08-27-2009 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
You heard wrong. They were united early AM today not to ride, and only two ended up not riding.

Arlington is very very stressful right now as the polytrack debate is hot right now. I saw two trainers talking (arguing) about the effects of polytrack. One loved it and the other talked about horses being really muscle sore on it. I am not a trainer so I have no idea, Chuck would

One trainer went right up to Mr. D and said "Mr. D, the track is like a pillow, it is beautiful"

As I heard Mr. D say, what happened to Rene and Mike was because of race riding, the horses did not break down. You can't control clipped heels or a heart attack.

They are not very united if only two ended up sitting it out.What happened,plans change?Is Shane Sellers on the way there?

Scav 08-27-2009 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Left Bank
They are not very united if only two ended up sitting it out.What happened,plans change?Is Shane Sellers on the way there?

Exactly.

I think it was more to make a point, but for them to be delayed 30 minutes, there had to be some unification.

I know that trainers were not within the meeting, it was just management and jocks, all the trainers were huddled up near where the jocks enter the paddock.

Cannon Shell 08-27-2009 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav

Arlington is very very stressful right now as the polytrack debate is hot right now. I saw two trainers talking (arguing) about the effects of polytrack. One loved it and the other talked about horses being really muscle sore on it. I am not a trainer so I have no idea, Chuck would

We have not seen anything unusual in our horses

The Indomitable DrugS 08-27-2009 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
I just heard that there was concern as a young jock got severely injured yesterday, but it was on a horse in the last that dropped dead (didn't break down).

It looked like it got shut off from both sides on the pan shot .. but impossible to tell for sure when you have 8 horses seperated by 2.5 lengths. Chart caller probably just assumed.

Bigsmc 08-27-2009 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
Exactly.....I forgot to mention that.

On sand, I guess you slide a little so the impact is different.

As I told a jock agent today, I am 6 foot and 250lbs, I won't be going 35MPH on a horse anytime soon, so those guys can do what they feel is right :)

:confused: :confused:

Scav 08-27-2009 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigsmc
:confused: :confused:

Confused your ass....There are medical records to confirm

Riot 08-27-2009 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav
You heard wrong. They were united early AM today not to ride, and only two ended up not riding.

As I heard Mr. D say, what happened to Rene and Mike was because of race riding, the horses did not break down. You can't control clipped heels or a heart attack.

Geesh - just passing along what a trainer on the backside told me today when I called him and asked about it. He was the one that said Mike's horse had a heart attack. Mr. D saying the same thing, apparently.

Riot 08-27-2009 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob
The concern is primarily what happens to the jock when he lands on this surface versus dirt, grass, etc. The jocks have always said they hate landing on Poly because you just stick to it, but the tragedies involving Rene and Mike are making this a much more critical issue now.

That's what makes it safer for the horses, unfortunately - it attenuates the slide at the hoof/track interface.

Scav 08-27-2009 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
Geesh - just passing along what a trainer on the backside told me today when I called him and asked about it. He was the one that said Mike's horse had a heart attack. Mr. D saying the same thing, apparently.

I said it the wrong way, I apologize

Coach Pants 08-27-2009 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
I said it the wrong way, I apologize

You didn't say it the wrong way. In fact you were too nice. She needs to be talked to like a dog. That way she'll eventually...err hopefully stop posting so god damned much.


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