I Have a question (to the NYRA faithful)
 

When does the REAL racing start up there?:rolleyes:

People aren't expected to play TODAY'S card, are they?

I couldn't leave you hanging. Wanted you to have at least one response in this lonely thread.

So here's my response............................














Stick to betting 3rd rate tracks like Woodbine and quit your constant whining. Change your diaper, get a new bib, buy a few new rattles for yourself..........do whatever needs to be done. Just quit crying already.

I think you need a "time out".

The mega 12,500 Mdn Claimers today had me wet in the pantsy. Nobody questions your talent just your take on the game.. It's OK when you come to your senses there is a wonderful place were you can be the fat man and people will appreciate you.. Let me know when you are ready,,,we can all work together..

Okay,I will question both his talent and take on the game.You obviously never read his twitter bullshit.It's hilarious!!

Consider yourself lucky for not being blocked :rolleyes:

You have a $25 winner; a $70 exacta (2 number); a $100 exacta (6 number); and a $132 exacta (4 number) ; out of a limited number of plays on my page.

Match it, Doofus.

Were you the one that mentioned Tomlinson?:rolleyes:

That's a ****in no no.

Do you realize that WO has a higher purse structure than SAR? Have you taken a look at WO? This is professionally run track. Their turf course is probably the best in the business. They have Trakus, and one of their commentators is every bit as good as Serling. Their racing secretary actually understands that a healthy variety in distance makes for interesting racing.

Do any of you Doofus have any idea as to the many betting opportunities at other tracks? I'm not wed to NYRA. If their races aren't a fit I play elsewhere. And, I got tired of wasting my valuable time handicapping races that came off the turf.

And that their product is now very, very regular is pretty much obvious.

Saying Woodbine is a 3rd rate track is not an accurate statement, it would be like saying it is on par with Mountaineer or Prairie Meadows, I'm not saying this to be adversarial but this is simply not a factual statement. The track has currently 3 grade 1's The Canadian International, the Woodbine Mile and The EP Taylor, The Northern Dancer I will have to check to see if it's still gr.1 status, various Gr.2 races plus restricted big stake events. 3rd rate I don't think so.

Saratoga is supposed to be the most prestigous meet in the USA. I think TFM has a point here. The real pathetic card is FRIDAYS. It is easily the worst card I have ever saw at Saratoga. I go both ways on this, I wont complain like some people I will just play other tracks, but that does not mean TFM is wrong.... Thursday's card was ok at best, Fridays is pathetic and Saturdays besides the 3 stakes races is horrible.

Things do get better on Sunday.

I'm not often in agreement with the fat man, though he is entertaining...but saying Woodbine is a third rate track is patently false. I've taken up playing Woodbine since the spring and it's been a pretty profitable venture. It's easy to dismiss it because it's not Saratoga, Santa Anita or Gulfstream or something, but you'd be surprised. It's no where near the level of true third rate establishments like Penn National, Suffolk, or Mountaineer.

He has a thing for Tomlinsons, its much worst then me with Beyers.

I just pulled out my old form from 7/29, the last night I played WO. Race 4 $32k Claimer for fillies and mares 3 yr+ purse: $48,600. Race 5 $25k Md Claimer purse $31,400. Race 6 $25k open claimers purse $40,100.

TFM is on point here. If someone can tell me where in the US you have these kind of purses, I'd like to see it. This doesn't even do the purses justice because there were no maiden allowances etc in the P4 I played, but those purses usually check in between $65k and $80k.

Fman is misguided on one fact, Saratoga's opening 2 weeks has yielded some terrific racing filled with excellent prices, as for his point regarding Woodbine he is however correct.

What's my penance? 10 Donovan bashings?

The bottom line is the overall racing at Saratoga from Today-Saturday is really bad. Friday really ruins it. I agree with him on todays card. I wont comment on Woodbine. I think the problem is people dont like how he says it. The cards today, Friday and most of Saturday simply SUCK. He is right about that, now if he says "Sunday sucks", then he's 100% wrong.

Sunday is loaded.

I guess to each their own but the steady stream of full fields work out fine for me. What is so bad about Friday's card? The John's Call is one of the most competitive races they've had all meet. The opener is going to be a barn burner through the opening six furlongs. So there are two maiden claimers, big deal, the MSW for 2YOs later on the card is strong.

Horseplayers will b.itch about anything, that's an ironclad fact but if you're someone who likes big, competitive fields then the quality at Saratoga has been there since Day 1 of this meet.

I can't believe we're making a real comparison to Woodbine, who cards multiple 5-6 horse races on a daily basis. Look at the opening six races on Saturday at Woodbine...wow.

By the way, those purses at Woodbine are huge, but that's Canadian dollars. The exchange rate right now is about $.93 to the dollar.

NT

I don't get the fascination with large fields. Last thing I need is to handicap 12-14 horse races. Why would anyone want to spend so much time on a race? Give me smaller field races. It's typically immediately clear who the speed is, and who the contenders are. Handicapping a race should be a 5 minute thing. And playing the game should be about finding advantages. This typically means playing multiple tracks.
Either you have an opinion or you don't. When I play small field races, I can identify a standout and a 1 or 2 number exotic. I realize that playing multiple numbers is some kind of rite of passage here but for me, it's just a sign of not having an opinion.

I'm disappointed, however. There's a ton of money to be made at other tracks/surfaces and I just can't understand why there's such a resistance to playing them.

I just found the perfect Donovan horse: Written in Stone, WO R3 tomorrow. In tight the entire race. NEVER gets a chance to run. Who knows if he has talent but it appears that if he ever got room in the stretch last out he would've galloped.

Oh, I don't resist playing other tracks at all. In fact, I'll be at the local simulcast pitching away at Arlington this week and I think there's a mule I've been waiting for at Santa Rosa. What I don't get is the complaints about NYRA racing that are mostly flimsy.

NT

Speaking of trips on the weeds, isn't the 10th at the Spa full of them tomorrow? What does your fat chart look like for the 7th on July 19?

NT

I think the horses that run up their are third rate. Yes they do have some big purses and decent races. But those horses really aren't any good up there. When they come south they get trounced. And usually it's horses from The U.S. that go up there and win the big races.

If The Fatwhiner is implying that racing at WDB is better than Saratoga then he is off his rocker. It's safe to say he is losing his shirt trying to bet NY, so he whines about the races in NY. Most losers do that type of things....blame others for their failure.

I have to watch that race again. From memory, the obvious trip was the DT horse, Graphite Halo (and the other speed). That's a hard race.

They are not third rate...
Do you look at the pp's ? Not just the entries.
I do everyday, the horses are decent.
Third rate is Finger Lakes, Charles Town, and Mountaineer... Not Woodbine.

Handicapping races should be a five minute thing? There's you're problem. You dont want to put the time into being a successful bettor.

What I dont seem to get is you blab about hitting 15-1 shots routinely....but then say you like to play 5-6 horse fields? Newsflash.....15-1 shots rarely win 6 horse fields.

Those tracks you named are like 9th rate. And yes WDB is better than them.

Notebook
 

another "copy/paste/print/holepunch/binder" post for TFM

All I know is I drove 11 hours one way to take in some Saratoga. This past Weds I decided at the spur of the moment to pack my bags and drive up. Thursday afternoon around 2pm I arrived and settled in for the rest of the day at the track. Tired and spent, I got a great meal and a good nights rest. Friday (yesterday) I was at the track all day and in Horse Players heaven. I was not the least bit concerned about the cards either day. Just got home about an hour ago after a stop at Presque Isle Downs on the way home.

Was I upset they had some Maiden Claiming races? I'll answer it this way.
I will be making another trip to Saratoga before this meet is up. Flying or driving.

Just the Fatman being a blowhard again.
I've seen better Whitney cards, but it was still
a fun and challenging one. My friends and I had
a great time and we all made $. Not to mention the
fact there was 39,500 people there.

Oh my! This has to be considered for post of the year.

Thank you very much.:D
:tro:

What you determine to be value in any given horse race is just that - value. It doesn't matter if it's a match race or a 20 horse Kentucky Derby. 5/1 pays the same in a four horse race as it does in the 20 horse Ky. Derby. Of course, exotics are where the larger fields are helpful, provided that's what you like to play.

I played 4 races at SMALL FIELD WO, yesterday. These were all my plays for the day.

3 exactas, 2 of which were ONE numbers and 1 win bet

I hit a $13 exacta in a 4 horse field, a $16 exacta in a 5 horse field and a $28 exacta (2 horse box) in a 9 horse field. I also ran 3rd with a 29:1 shot that I'd bet to win.

Now, as my objective in this game is to win consistently and NOT go for the (forced) BIG SCORE, why am I worried about any of this ****? I have the skill set to be able to pick out advantageous plays at 6 or 7 tracks a day and I know that if I wait, rather than force the action, I'll hit some big numbers. But I can't be throwing money away while I wait for these scores. My ROI when I'm 'selective' is through the roof. And by 'selective', I mean up to 10 plays a day.

I realize the normal way to play is here EXOTICS. And, I also realize that there's some sort of MACHO thing about forcing one's way through difficult races. I choose not to play that way. I don't play 35 numbers to get back 5:1. I play single units each race and I split these for mostly 2 combination exotic plays (very rarely will I box 3 horses).

(Most of ) the races are SAR are VERY HARD. Why would someone playing limited combos feel the need to play these races? Moreover, the odds there are just not competitive with what I get at the other tracks I play. This can debated all we want but, as I play multiple tracks, it's been shown to be the case.

As for the SAR ambiance/experience: been there done that. Going to ANY track at this point in my life is like starting to frequent DISCOS again.:rolleyes:


To each his own: I'm offer a contrarian view, as it certainly can't be the case that EVERYONE here is winning doing the same thing.