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Betsy 09-01-2008 08:16 PM

Stardom Bound
 
appears to be just like her name suggests. Boy, she came flying down the lane (going very wide) to win by at least 5 lengths in 1:22 and change. She finished very strongly (per the fractions), so she wasn't just beating staggering fillies. My only qualm is that Stardom Bound looks like a female Circular Quay; she's not going to win many races lagging 15 lengths behind. I wish Pasach could find a way to get her a bit more involved. In any case, nice filly.

eajinabi 09-01-2008 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Betsy
appears to be just like her name suggests. Boy, she came flying down the lane (going very wide) to win by at least 5 lengths in 1:22 and change. She finished very strongly (per the fractions), so she wasn't just beating staggering fillies. My only qualm is that Stardom Bound looks like a female Circular Quay; she's not going to win many races lagging 15 lengths behind. I wish Pasach could find a way to get her a bit more involved. In any case, nice filly.


Its very impressive when horses come way off the pace to run them all down but like you said those types dont win much. This horse probably needs to have more gate works. I really thout Palacio De Amour would hang on for me.

PSH 09-01-2008 08:20 PM

Just a matter of time
 
A group of us have been playing her since her debut. Was a very quick filly at the 2YO sales this spring in Florida. Her debut race was quite amazing also... The key will be when she goes two turns and to see if she can relax and be closer to the pace.

PSH

10 pnt move up 09-01-2008 08:24 PM

She actually is quicker but seems to finish up better when left alone, some horses that is just they way they want to run, does not seem to bother zenyatta any, not saying she is her but very good horses run their races no matter the style.

wac 09-01-2008 10:14 PM

And of course i was in the air coming back from seeing my fiance and her family in Alabama so no way to see that the race was hapening uggh pays 13 for the win

TheSpyder 09-02-2008 05:14 PM

That is a superstar in the making..no doubt about it. Just watched the race and have posted before the "word" was she was going to be real good. Wow!

Spyder

eajinabi 09-02-2008 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSpyder
That is a superstar in the making..no doubt about it. Just watched the race and have posted before the "word" was she was going to be real good. Wow!

Spyder


I would be careful to start labeling now. How many have we seen do this as a 2yo and just flop later. On top of that this horse is a deep closer and You will probably see more second and thirds from this horse than wins. Also Christopher Paash is a good 2yo trainer but most of his horses never develop to thier potential at 3

cowgirlintexas 09-02-2008 08:58 PM

Is her next start the Breeders Cup? I wonder what her odds will be..

mclem0822 09-02-2008 09:08 PM

Before the race......
 
Paash said this horse is just crying out for 2 turns. She looked outstanding, and should be very tough going even longer.

TheSpyder 09-03-2008 08:26 AM

I very rarely get on a horse and sing their praises but this one is special. Maybe I'm crazy but you just don't see horses gobble up horses like this. It's exciting, shows talent, and if the horse improves I think she's a monster. How far she will go I don't know but believe there's alot of upside and can't wait to see her run again. I can't say that about any other horse I've seen in along long time.

Spyder
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Originally Posted by eajinabi
I would be careful to start labeling now. How many have we seen do this as a 2yo and just flop later. On top of that this horse is a deep closer and You will probably see more second and thirds from this horse than wins. Also Christopher Paash is a good 2yo trainer but most of his horses never develop to thier potential at 3


VOL JACK 09-03-2008 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by mclem0822
Paash said this horse is just crying out for 2 turns. She looked outstanding, and should be very tough going even longer.

I wonder who told him??

TheSpyder 09-03-2008 10:30 AM

I guess I have a personal interest as when I was at Hollywood Park I got to meet someone close to the connections that said she was one of the fastest horses in the US. Kinda like the DT horses, you get close to them.

So I'm going to route for her and see what happens.

Spyder
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Seriously? She's very nice and with a little luck might be undefeated right now, but wasn't Circular Quay as impressive if not more than she? And he certainly fizzled out.


The Bid 09-03-2008 11:03 AM

Who told Paash?

10 pnt move up 09-03-2008 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Seriously? She's very nice and with a little luck might be undefeated right now, but wasn't Circular Quay as impressive if not more than she? And he certainly fizzled out.

maybe, the pedigree screams route though.

10 pnt move up 09-03-2008 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
That settles it then.

plus Drugs said she would route with no problem, so that is all the evidence needed.:D

GPK 09-03-2008 12:51 PM

Evita Argentina did not look like the same horse as she did in her previous 2. I know there was a little bumping at the top of the stretch, but she almost looked like she was hesitant to switch leads.

TheSpyder 09-27-2008 06:24 PM

Another great race. This horse is for real and can't wait to see the next step. Gobbled up those horses!

mclem0822 09-27-2008 06:29 PM

Stardom Bound......
 
Another great performance, as she keeps stretching out she looks more impressive!

pgardn 09-27-2008 06:47 PM

The leaders went out way fast.
Bunch of Jelly legged horses at the
end except for your gray.

The Indomitable DrugS 09-27-2008 06:55 PM

I've followed her since her tremendously impressive preview video at the undertack show during OBS March - and talked about her on Steve's show before she debuted at Del Mar. As fun to watch as she is - and as much as I like her - I don't think anything of the competition she has been beating.

I know her figures aren't much either - but figures just don't matter at all when you talk about the perverted form of horse racing that you see take place on synthetic tracks.

It's hard to say exactly how good she is - but she's obviously much better than anything out West.

That big preview at OBS March also came over a synthetic. I don't think she's a very good projection to dirt racing because of her style and how void of tactical speed she is ... but that won't matter until the discussion involves the KY Oaks.

the_fat_man 09-27-2008 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
- but figures just don't matter at all when you talk about the perverted form of horse racing that you see take place on synthetic tracks.

The PERVERSION is in the figures, not in the racing. Synthetic makes just as much 'sense' to some as turf racing.

'not fast enough' is old paradigm stuff.

eajinabi 09-27-2008 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn
The leaders went out way fast.
Bunch of Jelly legged horses at the
end except for your gray.

Palacio Del Amour ran fast fractions and had more to spurt away from the field but Stardom Bound was too fast but PDA ran very very very well for second

pgardn 09-27-2008 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by eajinabi
Palacio Del Amour ran fast fractions and had more to spurt away from the field but Stardom Bound was too fast but PDA ran very very very well for second

That horse feels like crap right now.
It was a good effort.
But run like a middle schooler.
They are 2 year olds, and there is a mature one amongst them.

Betsy 09-27-2008 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by mclem0822
Another great performance, as she keeps stretching out she looks more impressive!

Any details? I just got home and I'm thrilled, but Cal Racing doesn't have the replay yet. First off, I'm so glad that the filly wasn't hurt after being kicked by the pony - that was lucky. Secondly, it's nice to see that she is not a closing sprinter, which is what I was afraid of

Is anyone else surprised by Tapit's success? I loved him (naturally, as a son of Pulpit), but I didn't think he'd get off to such a good start. He's got a few other good babies besides SB.......

The Indomitable DrugS 09-27-2008 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man
Synthetic makes just as much 'sense' to some as turf racing.

Racing over a turf course is great. Racing over a synthetic track is almost unwatchable.

Betsy 09-28-2008 05:18 PM

anyone know what Beyer SB got? It's not on the DRF leaderboard, so obviously it's not a particularly good figure......thanks!

Bobby Fischer 09-28-2008 05:53 PM

shes looks like a big brahma bull out there. Dominating horse right down the bias of the track. Highlight of the day.

Betsy 09-28-2008 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer
shes looks like a big brahma bull out there. Dominating horse right down the bias of the track. Highlight of the day.

By the way, someone posted on another board that she got an 87.

SB really was impressive despite the so-so Beyer. I love this filly and she was actually doing running at the end; it wasn't just a matter of the fillies in front collapsing. I still have my doubts about how she's going to hold up against once the later-developing fillies start coming out of the woodwork because her running style is more conducive to runner up finishes than to wins. She sure is fun to watch, though.

Revidere 09-29-2008 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Betsy
By the way, someone posted on another board that she got an 87.

SB really was impressive despite the so-so Beyer. I love this filly and she was actually doing running at the end; it wasn't just a matter of the fillies in front collapsing. I still have my doubts about how she's going to hold up against once the later-developing fillies start coming out of the woodwork because her running style is more conducive to runner up finishes than to wins. She sure is fun to watch, though.

Agreed, Betsy.

Bill Finley dismissed her Saturday morning (he also thought Zenyatta would get beat). That was enough for me.

I refuse to put numbers on what she did. They don't do her justice.

SniperSB23 09-29-2008 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Revidere
Agreed, Betsy.

Bill Finley dismissed her Saturday morning (he also thought Zenyatta would get beat). That was enough for me.

I refuse to put numbers on what she did. They don't do her justice.

Problem is she hasn't exactly shown a willingness to go through an opening in the stretch run and in a 14 horse field will wind up having a tough time in the stretch in the BC Juv Fillies. Has the look of the fast closing 2nd or 3rd place finisher that may be clearly the best but won't win.

RolloTomasi 09-29-2008 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
Problem is she hasn't exactly shown a willingness to go through an opening in the stretch run and in a 14 horse field will wind up having a tough time in the stretch in the BC Juv Fillies. Has the look of the fast closing 2nd or 3rd place finisher that may be clearly the best but won't win.

Didn't she just win in a 12-horse field, without any significant traffic problems, from the 2 hole, on the very same track and distance as the BC?

Will 2 extra horses really make that much difference?

SniperSB23 09-29-2008 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi
Didn't she just win in a 12-horse field, without any significant traffic problems, from the 2 hole, on the very same track and distance as the BC?

Will 2 extra horses really make that much difference?

Watch all her races, she hasn't got there in time everytime. Those two extra horses could easily be the difference.

TheSpyder 09-29-2008 12:07 PM

I think she just gets better over time. Heck, she's only run 4-5 times and she's a 3YO.

With that style she has every right to improve. Still think she's a monster.

Spyder Bound

RolloTomasi 09-29-2008 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
Watch all her races, she hasn't got there in time everytime. Those two extra horses could easily be the difference.

I'm not sure I agree that she won't go through an opening. You probably won't ever see her try to because her jock likes to take the overland route. She just got beat in her debut on the head bob, looked like she hesitated as she caught the frontrunners.

In her 2nd start, a Grade 2 race, she was up a bit closer than in her previous. Was that of Smith's choosing or was she just a little sharper 2nd time out (maybe we can as the Wiz about that)? I don't know, but either way it seems to have blunted her stretch rally in the only race she was soundly defeated. Also, the stretchout in distance is in her favor.

Smith employed the sit back, loop the field, and inhale them down the lane approach (that he's very comfortable with) in the last pair and has two Grade 1 wins to show for it. I don't think he'll be changing that plan in the BC, so the only thing she'll have to overcome tripwise is moving a bit wide into the home stretch; her main obstacle will be running into a flat out faster filly if there is one.

SniperSB23 09-29-2008 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi
I'm not sure I agree that she won't go through an opening.

I'm not saying she won't, I'm just saying she hasn't shown it yet and considering the likely odds in the BC I think she'll be a good horse to play against in multi-race bets even if she may be the best in the field on Pro-Ride.

Betsy 09-29-2008 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
Watch all her races, she hasn't got there in time everytime. Those two extra horses could easily be the difference.

One of those races was a 5/12 furlong race and she just missed by a nose. I actually didn't think she ran that well in the Sorrento, but she did still come rallying to finish 3rd. It's not just the distance, it seems it's the added racing that is helping her.

the_fat_man 09-29-2008 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Racing over a turf course is great. Racing over a synthetic track is almost unwatchable.

Too bad poly gets essentially the same fatcharts that turf does.

So much for that theory.

It's dirt that's the anomaly.

Getaway 09-29-2008 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSpyder
I think she just gets better over time. Heck, she's only run 4-5 times and she's a 3YO.

With that style she has every right to improve. Still think she's a monster.

Spyder Bound

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