Stewards- Country Star
 

Thought the stewards absolutely made the wrong decision on today's 7th race. Country Star was weaving through the stretch like a drunken sailor, and caused interference with both the 2nd AND 3rd place finishers, yet they left her up. I hate to be cynical but it smells to me like they were 'playing favorites' with the connections, if it had not been Frankel/Stonerside I think they rightfully take her down.

I thought she was definitely erratic, but it was a tough call since she never really touched anyone.

What a terrible bet that mediocre horse was at 4-5 though. Pissed me off that she managed to win, as I played a Pick 3 specifically for the purpose of beating her.. Had the second and third place finishers and that overhyped rat manages to hold on.

i would have never bet her, but why try to beat her ? why not sit it out ? she was clearly the most likely winner, was obviously a short horse, getting a race in for something much bigger, and still managed to win.

You stated yourself she was probably short and pointed for something bigger. Isn't that enough of a reason to try to beat her in P3's. She seemed vulnerable and if she doesn't win, the multi-race wagers should pay very well.

Really? What exactly made her 'clearly the most likely winner'? She wasn't the fastest horse in the race on grass, and the move to turf reeked of desperation. She was a complete bet-against at 4-5.

It's also laughable that you think she was 'obviously a short horse'. Four five-furlong breezes in 24 days, and Frankel's horses hardly ever 'need a race'.. Doesn't sound like an 'obvious' short horse to me.

Sooner or later, people might have to stop making excuses for this filly and come to grips with the possibility that she's just not very fast.

I think you're REALLY jumping to conclusions here. If you want to accuse her of being babied, pampered, or fragile then I'm with you. However, she hasn't been given enough time to prove herself "fast" on conventional dirt. She hasn't even made a start on fast dirt!

She's pointing to the Gazelle and perhaps she'll be grossly exposed there, especially with Music Note pointing to the same place. I can tell you that the Stonerside people really think a lot of her and have since Day 1.

NT

Yup

The question is rarely whether they fouled, it's usually whether they think somebody else would have won if they didn't get fouled. My opinion is she wasn't gunna get beat. She had quite a bit left(Frankel's usually do....I know what Joey was trying to do, but Frankel is usually simply a bully in this particular type of spot.) That's why I can't wait for this guy to retire. Loves to bring in this comebacking fresh chalk. Not exactly entertaining stuff. He's never really understood that this is supposed to be entertainment, but that's just my opinion.

Wait a minute, so telling people to CONSIDER that she MIGHT not be very fast is 'REALLY jumping to conclusions'? Hmmm, I disagree. I'd say that calling her 'clearly the most likely winner' today and an 'obvious short horse' sounds a lot more like conclusion-jumping.

Stonerside can think whatever they want about her, all I know is what I see, and what I've seen is SIX STRAIGHT mediocre-to-lousy races from her. Maybe she'll end up a good horse on fast dirt, but until then, I don't think it's outlandish to SUGGEST that she's not very fast.. Talk about sensitive.

There is no rule saying that you actually have to touch or make contact. Intimidation or failure to maintain a straight course to the detriment of others is in most rules books. Of course there are not that many stewards that ever bother to read the rule book...

Frankel will retire when he croaks. I am not sure how his winning with short priced horses off of a layoff undermines the entertainment factor. I suppose if he intentionally stiffed them a few times it would be more entertaining. what is this pro wrestling?

First of all, if me disagreeing with you is being sensitive then I guess I'm just really soft.

More importantly, I never said that she was 'clearly the most likely winner' nor an 'obvious short horse.' There was reason to think that if she was prepared to run that she would perform well. She was HORRIBLY overbet because of her connections and reputation and was really a terribly gamble at the price which was offered.

I suppose we can disagree on her first six races being mediocre to lousy as her debut was pretty damn good. Her effort in the Hollywood Starlet was also very solid. She was clearly rushed this year and maybe, and I maintain maybe she is at a point where she can show some more potential.

I considered your original statement more of a proclamation than an suggestion. If it was the latter, I think that's perfectly acceptable. Most importantly, we'll find out if she's any good quite soon.

As far as anyone giving you grief about not using the horse in the PK4 or any other multi-race bet, that's mostly nonsense.

NT

I wasn't referring to you.

About the same video quality as HRTV.

so LDK put a horse into the rail.. that horse had no shot
:rolleyes:

the inconsitency is the problem.

Sunday Break wasn't good enough for anyone to keep replays on but..

he fouls half the field in a made up allowance race. Costing my 20-1 a placing and they do nothing becasue they would have to move Iwin up.

6/1 on a 3yo coming off Beyers of 108/111/113/110.

shes a good horse, better then most now a days

I think that's the first and only time I've ever seen With Anticipation run on dirt...

I dont think he ran on the turf until he was 5

I agree with you completely on this one, regardless of the results of today. Today's race was horribly slow, especially considering a bunch of no-talent 35K N2L's went 1.3 seconds faster. However, it doesn't change that the stewards were once again inconsistent in their decisionmaking today, where a horse that has intefered with others and possibly (likely?) affected the outcome and didn't get taken down.

What do you base this on?

Definitely one of the better American turfers of this decade

I'm probably the wrong person to comment on this as I bet the 2nd place finisher to win, so thanks for bringing this up. You never want to sound like sour grapes after a loss but I thought if Marie Rossa got a straight trip the finish would have been a nose either way, she lost some momentum no doubt. Really a tough call for the stewards to make but it seems Frankel does get his share of calls in N.Y.

If the Breeders Cup is smart they will run the 2008 edition of this race on Ladies Day

well you did qualify it with. "if they were smart"

I say if they were smart they would do this at least once week

She is almost as good as Pebbles

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bcX2...eature=related

One of her finest races... amazing to be able to carry 130lbs and beat horses like Educated Risk and Dispute...

He understands making deposits at the bank I bet.

Well, I can't explain to a trainer how boring this is for fans, because trainers get 10% of the 1st place money. It's not boring to you guys. It makes for a pretty useless race for us. One guy said pass the race. I would say pass the race. Joey tried to beat the Frankel, and lost. Your attitude is typical of trainers. They don't care if racing is that competitive. Short uncompetitive fields are in your best interest. Large competitive fields are in our best interest. Frankel's been jamming this chalk down people's throats in these bully situations forever. He is no friend of those wanting good competitive racing(again I don't expect you to care if the racing is very competitive.) Trainers n' fans have highly differing self interests.

We know the Breeders Cup is not smart.......watch the lack of talent that shows up this year because of the poly factor and make your own decision. The dead rail bias for the bikini blast obviously gave the winner an edge....

Are you absolutely 100% sure Frankel's horse wasn't going to lose? If so we were not watching the same race.