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Kasept 07-08-2008 12:47 PM

'Team Curlin' gets OK for NY license (7pm update)
 
http://www.drf.com/news/article/96173.html

Progress in push to get to the Man o' War...

The officials said on Tuesday that they believe Curlin will be ruled eligible to race by the end of the week. Entries for the Man o' War will be taken on Wednesday.

Steve Asmussen, the trainer of Curlin, said on Tuesday that he had been told that Curlin would be eligible to race in New York.

"Very recently I've been told we've been okayed in New York, and the plan is to ship to New York on Thursday," Asmussen said during a conference call.

ateamstupid 07-08-2008 12:53 PM

:D

sumitas 07-08-2008 12:54 PM

Love to have him back here.

ArlJim78 07-08-2008 03:05 PM

does anyone know who the likely contenders would be, other than Curlin?

ateamstupid 07-08-2008 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArlJim78
does anyone know who the likely contenders would be, other than Curlin?

Red Rocks, Better Talk Now, Grand Couturier, Sudan, Interpatation, Cosmonaut, Distorted Reality, Operation Red Dawn.

Could be one hell of a race.

freddymo 07-08-2008 03:10 PM

Is Dancing Forever going?

ninetoone 07-08-2008 03:11 PM

BTN's gonna nail 'em all at the wire.

brockguy 07-08-2008 03:12 PM

Curlin's connections will certainly know where they stand regarding his abilities on turf after the man o war. If he can toy with the likes of Red Rocks (even though he is deeply flattered by being called a BC Turf winner!) , they know they have a very good turf horse..

ArlJim78 07-08-2008 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Red Rocks, Better Talk Now, Grand Couturier, Sudan, Interpatation, Cosmonaut, Distorted Reality, Operation Red Dawn.

Could be one hell of a race.

are you serious? that is a solid line-up.

personally i feel the Arc dreams will come to a crashing halt after Saturday.

The Indomitable DrugS 07-08-2008 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freddymo
Is Dancing Forever going?

He didn't even nominate for the race.

He'd have to give 7lbs away to Curlin under the conditions of the race the way I read them.

ateamstupid 07-08-2008 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArlJim78
are you serious? that is a solid line-up.

personally i feel the Arc dreams will come to a crashing halt after Saturday.

I think it's a distinct possibility. I also think that even if he runs well or wins this Saturday, he's still got no shot in the Arc.

ninetoone 07-08-2008 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Red Rocks, Better Talk Now, Grand Couturier, Sudan, Interpatation, Cosmonaut, Distorted Reality, Operation Red Dawn.

Could be one hell of a race.


Any guesses on M/L odds on this group???

Cannon Shell 07-08-2008 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brockguy
Curlin's connections will certainly know where they stand regarding his abilities on turf after the man o war. If he can toy with the likes of Red Rocks (even though he is deeply flattered by being called a BC Turf winner!) , they know they have a very good turf horse..

Why is Red Rocks coming this early? Especially since the older Euros are seemingly soft this year.

brockguy 07-08-2008 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Why is Red Rocks coming this early? Especially since the older Euros are seemingly soft this year.


he just hasnt done anything of note since the BC win, he cant beat what is in Europe at the moment, and to be honest, i doubt he can beat the best over in the States..

ateamstupid 07-08-2008 05:58 PM

Hegarty reporting as of 6:40 p.m. EST that Curlin is cleared to run. I'm geeked.

Kasept 07-08-2008 06:00 PM

http://www.drf.com/news/article/96186.html

Curlin a Man o' War 'go'...

The New York State Racing and Wagering Board will issue a license to the receiver representing the minority ownership interest in Horse of the Year Curlin, clearing the way for the horse to start in Saturday's Man o' War at Belmont Park, the attorney for Curlin's majority owner said late Tuesday.

GenuineRisk 07-08-2008 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Hegarty reporting as of 6:40 p.m. EST that Curlin is cleared to run. I'm geeked.

Me too. LIRR, here I come!

NTamm1215 07-08-2008 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
He didn't even nominate for the race.

He'd have to give 7lbs away to Curlin under the conditions of the race the way I read them.

Dancing Forever is skipping the Man O' War and pointing to the Sword Dancer. You're right about the weights, in fact both Grand Couturier and Better Talk Now will have to give Curlin 4 lbs.

NT

pmacdaddy 07-08-2008 07:38 PM

Very cool. Have to make push to get the boy to Belmont on Sat.

geeker2 07-08-2008 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Hegarty reporting as of 6:40 p.m. EST that Curlin is cleared to run. I'm geeked.


Me 2 ! :cool:

jwkniska 07-08-2008 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Red Rocks, Better Talk Now, Grand Couturier, Sudan, Interpatation, Cosmonaut, Distorted Reality, Operation Red Dawn.

Could be one hell of a race.

Cosmonaut is going to the Arlington Handicap, Distorted Reality too and maybe Operation Red Dawn (was split 50-50 between them the last I heard).

ateamstupid 07-08-2008 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jwkniska
Cosmonaut is going to the Arlington Handicap, Distorted Reality too and maybe Operation Red Dawn (was split 50-50 between them the last I heard).

Thankfully those defections detract very little from the awesomeness of the Man O' War. :)

jwkniska 07-08-2008 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Thankfully those defections detract very little from the awesomeness of the Man O' War. :)

I wonder if any of the others will see Curlin and head to AP instead?

blackthroatedwind 07-08-2008 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Thankfully those defections detract very little from the awesomeness of the Man O' War. :)


Actually that's not true as two of them would have helped make the pace at least a little honest.

ateamstupid 07-08-2008 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Actually that's not true as two of them would have helped make the pace at least a little honest.

Maybe I'm just sick of burning money on Cosmonaut. Either way, those 2-3 horses weren't among those that had me excited for the race.

hockey2315 07-08-2008 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Actually that's not true as two of them would have helped make the pace at least a little honest.

There goes any chance for Grand Couturier.

ninetoone 07-08-2008 10:18 PM

Get Shake the Bank in here...

NTamm1215 07-08-2008 10:19 PM

Clement may have been planning to send Operation Red Dawn with Gio Ponti, who he now is not sending to Arlington.

Anyone hear if Mission Approved might go? Contessa doesn't like to miss any dances, as his 15 for 202 record at the meet shows, so he may run this horse, even with the three week layoff. He'd obviously add pace. With the current cast assembled Sudan might be free and clear early. It's a good thing he's not much horse.

NT

Alan07 07-08-2008 10:30 PM

I think they draw on Thursday

ateamstupid 07-08-2008 10:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jwkniska
I wonder if any of the others will see Curlin and head to AP instead?

It's a Grade 1 for $500,000. If all it takes to scare you away from that is a horse who's never tried turf, you need to get into a different sport.

jwkniska 07-08-2008 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid
It's a Grade 1 for $500,000. If all it takes to scare you away from that is a horse who's never tried turf, you need to get into a different sport.

I won't argue that at all.... but with some... you never know.

the_fat_man 07-08-2008 11:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid
It's a Grade 1 for $500,000. If all it takes to scare you away from that is a horse who's never tried turf, you need to get into a different sport.

So, you really think that horses like Cosmonaut, Operation Red Dawn, etc. actually a shot on the turf against Curlin? With pace, without pace, never been on the turf, whatever.

blackthroatedwind 07-08-2008 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_fat_man
So, you really think that horses like Cosmonaut, Operation Red Dawn, etc. actually a shot on the turf against Curlin? With pace, without pace, never been on the turf, whatever.

Those horses probably have little chance against others, but EVERYBODY has a legitimate chance to beat Curlin. This is exactly a situation nobody should be afraid to try the champ.

the_fat_man 07-08-2008 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Those horses probably have little chance against others, but EVERYBODY has a legitimate chance to beat Curlin. This is exactly a situation nobody should be afraid to try the champ.

You have the horse that pushes the BIGGEST GEAR in the country and now he's going a distance of ground on a WIDE turf course. His acceleration on dirt is nothing compared to what's going to happen on the grass. This isn't Backseat Rhythm beating Sentimental Union, with a pace advantage.

blackthroatedwind 07-08-2008 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_fat_man
You have the horse that pushes the BIGGEST GEAR in the country and now he's going a distance of ground on a WIDE turf course. His acceleration on dirt is nothing compared to what's going to happen on the grass. This isn't Backseat Rhythm beating Sentimental Union, with a pace advantage.


He may win, but assuming he will have even similar ability on the turf as he does on the dirt is an amateurish opinion. I look forward to betting against Curlin and any horse in a similar situation. It's a big winner over the long run.

In a way, I hope I lose, as I like Curlin and respect his connections for stepping outside of the box and trying something creative and exciting. I am looking forward to this race as much as any I have witnessed in a long time. But, I'm a horseplayer first, and Curlin is a bet against considering his likely low odds.

I hope anybody able to attend Saturday does so, as this is an unmissable event, in a game with way to many humdrum big races.

the_fat_man 07-09-2008 12:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
He may win, but assuming he will have even similar ability on the turf as he does on the dirt is an amateurish opinion. I look forward to betting against Curlin and any horse in a similar situation. It's a big winner over the long run.


To bet against him (with the probable field) is equally 'amateurish'.

Plenty of other opportunities out there. I'm just going to watch this one.

blackthroatedwind 07-09-2008 12:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_fat_man
To bet against him (with the probable field) is equally 'amateurish'.

Plenty of other opportunities out there. I'm just going to watch this one.


Baloney....it can't be amateurish to bet against any overbet horse.

Depending on whether or not I play the Pick-4, and depending on whether or not I like prices in the other legs, I may use him at least for protection.

By the way, Fat Man, you biking your butt out there Saturday?

dalakhani 07-09-2008 12:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Baloney....it can't be amateurish to bet against any overbet horse.
Depending on whether or not I play the Pick-4, and depending on whether or not I like prices in the other legs, I may use him at least for protection.

By the way, Fat Man, you biking your butt out there Saturday?

At what price would you consider Curlin to be overbet?

blackthroatedwind 07-09-2008 12:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dalakhani
At what price would you consider Curlin to be overbet?


That's hard to say but I would guess anything below even money.

dalakhani 07-09-2008 12:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
That's hard to say but I would guess anything below even money.

Thanks.

I am torn. I think I am going to sit this one out and just enjoy.

Best of luck to you.


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