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jcs11204 06-07-2008 10:29 PM

Most Disapointing horse today at belmont ?
 
Obvious big brown, but for me its not him... i thought he was never anything more then a decent horse beating very bad horses, so to me i was not shocked.

Indian Blessing disapointed me, Readys Image, especially after Desert Key Jogged, but readys image was chilly on the tote early....
Man of Danger should have won, guess he out ran his odds though....
Criminoligist was disapointing

Cannon Shell 06-07-2008 10:34 PM

guadacanal

jcs11204 06-07-2008 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
guadacanal

yes, he did take tons of money.

hockey2315 06-07-2008 10:36 PM

Pletcher's horses were awful all day. Not that any of them were really contenders anyways.

hockey2315 06-07-2008 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204
yes, he did take tons of money.

o jeez

CSC 06-07-2008 10:37 PM

Denis of Cork...

just think about it.

hockey2315 06-07-2008 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC
Denis of Cork...

just think about it.

Not really - for me he was though from a betting standpoint.

CSC 06-07-2008 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315
Not really - for me he was though from a betting standpoint.


He will never have a better chance at a grade 1, IMO. He couldn't catch that Zito horse after setting those fractions fending off BB and Tale of E. He's not quite Dollar Bill status yet but I'm not crazy about these type.

stonegossard 06-07-2008 10:42 PM

For me it was How You Been Nita. Didnt think she would win so I bet her to place and show....as you can see the place and show prices sucked.


http://www.drf.com/drfPDFChartRacesI...=20080607&RN=2

hockey2315 06-07-2008 10:43 PM

Setting what fractions? Da'Tara was loose on the lead on a (potentially) speed favoring track. Denis ran a decent 2nd - I don't see how it was disappointing. I've liked this horse since his maiden - I'm a fan and I've bet him in every one of his races except for the Ill. Derby - but he's not worthy of winning a G1.

Danzig 06-07-2008 10:44 PM

denis had to have been compromised by a slow early pace. hell, the whole race was slow.
as for zaftig--it's a damn shame when the acorn can only get four horses to run.

hockey2315 06-07-2008 10:47 PM

At least the top two are good horses.

CSC 06-07-2008 10:48 PM

I have to disagree, if the timer is correct and as I already have said I am a very sceptical person...a 26.44 final 1/4 and not cutting into that from a horse that won one mdn win to his name after running 2:03.21 for the 1 1/4 has to be termed dissapointing from the clearcut second choice and 3rd place finisher in the derby. Well it was for me!

Danzig 06-07-2008 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315
At least the top two are good horses.

oh, i think zaftig is a nice horse. just wish the bigger events would draw bigger fields, it's more exciting to watch.

hockey2315 06-07-2008 10:53 PM

no argument there. field size today for the stakes was pretty good, though.

Coach Pants 06-07-2008 11:02 PM

Denis is a suckup horse and I've said as much since his dream setup in the Southwest. He had absolutely no excuses today....except for ESPN saying Carroll said the Kentucky Derby was a prep for the Belmont. I threw up a little in my mouth when that BS was mentioned.

jcs11204 06-07-2008 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
Denis is a suckup horse and I've said as much since his dream setup in the Southwest. He had absolutely no excuses today....except for ESPN saying Carroll said the Kentucky Derby was a prep for the Belmont. I threw up a little in my mouth when that BS was mentioned.

this is true... again the whole crop is weak...

Hickory Hill Hoff 06-08-2008 08:38 AM

Ready's Image

CSC 06-08-2008 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
Denis is a suckup horse and I've said as much since his dream setup in the Southwest. He had absolutely no excuses today....except for ESPN saying Carroll said the Kentucky Derby was a prep for the Belmont. I threw up a little in my mouth when that BS was mentioned.

This horse would improve immensely if he got away from Caroll, his management of this horse has been peculiar all year.

Rudeboyelvis 06-08-2008 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by stonegossard
For me it was How You Been Nita. Didnt think she would win so I bet her to place and show....as you can see the place and show prices sucked.


http://www.drf.com/drfPDFChartRacesI...=20080607&RN=2

Looks like you were the only one there who was betting :eek:

The Indomitable DrugS 06-08-2008 08:50 AM

Denis Of Cork is more of a setup type closer than a slowpoke finisher like a Ready's Echo is.

Da Tara jogged on an uncontested lead through moderate to reasonable fractions. He never fended off either Big Brown or ToE - both ran non-efforts and never made so much as a serious bid.

Denis Of Cork did what setup closers tend to do - and pass everything that stopped in front of him. Da Tara got a dreamy trip making his own pace without pressure and just never stopped.

The race was slow all around.

Big Brown's Preakness fig was by far the slowest winning Preakness Beyer in 15 years - and this years edition of the Belmont was one of the biggest eyesores in the recent history of the triple crown series.

stonegossard 06-08-2008 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis
Looks like you were the only one there who was betting :eek:


Funny huh....check out the Daily Double pool......52 bucks. Handle probably consists of 2 people betting.

CSC 06-08-2008 09:02 AM

Okay maybe Da Tara ran the race of his life, but when a horse with his previous form 1 mdn win runs wire to wire in honest fractions especially for this crop of horses, you would expect Denis of Cork to atleast catch him in the last 26 and 1/2 last 1/4 mile. Great result yes that the TC gods made the right decision, but this Belmont will be remembered as the worst since Commendable last won it.

Danzig 06-08-2008 09:05 AM

actually, i think commendable can move up a step from the basement now.

docicu3 06-08-2008 09:06 AM

The criminal(ologist) gets my vote. One of those horses that throughout is career when ignored ruins me but when played is MIA as he was yesterday. JR and Frankel had to be disappointed. Playing Chester on the grass paid again as frequently seems the case just ask Hooves'

The Indomitable DrugS 06-08-2008 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
actually, i think commendable can move up a step from the basement now.

Commendable was like Easy Goer compared to Sarava and D'Tara.

The Indomitable DrugS 06-08-2008 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by CSC
you would expect Denis of Cork to atleast catch him in the last 26 and 1/2 last 1/4 mile.

Not really - D' Tara had it all his own way and was staying on well enough.

DoC has never really been a big finisher through the stretch.

CSC 06-08-2008 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Not really - D' Tara had it all his own way and was staying on well enough.

DoC has never really been a big finisher through the stretch.

I'll agree on DOC not being a big finisher, he had no excuse from my vantage point, he was closer to the pace yesterday than the Derby and had less to do. But still couldn't pass D'Tara as they crawled home. I doubt any of these horses would even make Jan Rushton's watch list.

The Indomitable DrugS 06-08-2008 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by CSC
But still couldn't pass D'Tara as they crawled home.

Older horses carryling 10lbs less weight came home in slower time in the Brooklyn on Friday.

I realize the track wasn't as fast on Friday - but the Brooklyn got a 107 Beyer with a 27+ final quarter.

When you consider how tremendously moderate that group of 3yo's were yesterday - and factor in that they are carrying 126lbs at 12fs - and while the pace wasn't much - the winner's 26.40 come home time was hardly something that stood out as clearly the weakest part of a very low rated race.

jcs11204 06-08-2008 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Older horses carryling 10lbs less weight came home in slower time in the Brooklyn on Friday.

I realize the track wasn't as fast on Friday - but the Brooklyn got a 107 Beyer with a 27+ final quarter.

When you consider how tremendously moderate that group of 3yo's were yesterday - and factor in that they are carrying 126lbs at 12fs - and while the pace wasn't much - the winner's 26.40 come home time was hardly something that stood out as clearly the weakest part of a very low rated race.

'very weak group... all of them are weak, pyro, brown, war pass everyone is weak to ok at best, no greats, not even close to greats.
da tara could be a good one, pedigree says he should get better with age, in great hands with zito, he could turn out to be a good one.

Cannon Shell 06-08-2008 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

The race was slow all around.

Big Brown's Preakness fig was by far the slowest winning Preakness Beyer in 15 years - and this years edition of the Belmont was one of the biggest eyesores in the recent history of the triple crown series.

It really was a horrific race. BB's bomb has distracted from the disgrace of this being a classic race.

hockey2315 06-08-2008 11:16 AM

weekend figs
 
http://www.drf.com/stakeresults/drfStakeResults.jsp

J Be K - 108
Zafting - 107
Benny - 106



Da'Tara - 99

Sightseek 06-08-2008 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Denis Of Cork is more of a setup type closer than a slowpoke finisher like a Ready's Echo is.

Da Tara jogged on an uncontested lead through moderate to reasonable fractions. He never fended off either Big Brown or ToE - both ran non-efforts and never made so much as a serious bid.

Denis Of Cork did what setup closers tend to do - and pass everything that stopped in front of him. Da Tara got a dreamy trip making his own pace without pressure and just never stopped.

The race was slow all around.

Big Brown's Preakness fig was by far the slowest winning Preakness Beyer in 15 years - and this years edition of the Belmont was one of the biggest eyesores in the recent history of the triple crown series.

Even worse than the little guy's?

The Indomitable DrugS 06-08-2008 12:21 PM

Are you trying to make me like Jazil by giving him the same nickname as my idol Andy Serling?

Sightseek 06-08-2008 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Are you trying to make me like Jazil by giving him the same nickname as my idol Andy Serling?

Whatever it takes babe. :D

Travis Stone 06-08-2008 01:15 PM

Casino Drive.

hockey2315 06-08-2008 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Older horses carryling 10lbs less weight came home in slower time in the Brooklyn on Friday.

I realize the track wasn't as fast on Friday - but the Brooklyn got a 107 Beyer with a 27+ final quarter.

When you consider how tremendously moderate that group of 3yo's were yesterday - and factor in that they are carrying 126lbs at 12fs - and while the pace wasn't much - the winner's 26.40 come home time was hardly something that stood out as clearly the weakest part of a very low rated race.

Do you think that fig is legit?

The Indomitable DrugS 06-08-2008 02:51 PM

I take most figures earned at rarely run distances with a grain of salt.

Both the Brooklyn and Belmont were obviously the only two turn routes on the card - and both were run at rarely run distances. The figures are pretty much best guesses in those situations.

hi_im_god 06-08-2008 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC
This horse would improve immensely if he got away from Caroll, his management of this horse has been peculiar all year.

good point only if he had been managing the horse.

hockey2315 06-08-2008 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
I take most figures earned at rarely run distances with a grain of salt.

Both the Brooklyn and Belmont were obviously the only two turn routes on the card - and both were run at rarely run distances. The figures are pretty much best guesses in those situations.

That's what I figured. 107 seems too high for Delosvientos.


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