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A grade 2 win for Giacomo.You haters can eat my waste.Retire him please(so we don't have to hear the constant crap from people about how Giacomo is such a bad horse, or "just a lucky" horse.)

I couldn't be happier. Had him huge in a matchup against Preachin, didn't think he'd get up. What a win!

[quote=SCUDSBROTHER]A grade 2 win for Giacomo.You haters can eat my waste.Retire him please(so we don't have to hear the constant crap from

Some are better than others but there has never been a "bad" horse win the Derby!

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Very true.A bad horse has never won the Derby,and I think the people that own and train this horse have been totally disrespected for over a year.People should have more respect for the winner of our biggest American race.Another bunch of crap is the people that say he won't fight.Well, Trevor told the truth about him on the turn.He said he needed to do a little better...Well,he fought for this one.He wanted this one,and people who thought he would only come like that "one lucky time" are just wrong.

[quote=somerfrost]****ing Right

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I don't understand your post. Why do you want Giacomo to retire? He looked good running down Preach, who had to duel almost 97% of the way.

His running style does require some help. His barn should get some speedy rabbit to enter for all of his races. They'll win more races

He beat a bunch of Grade 3 horses at best. He is still a lucky horse, barely a GIII one at that. I agree: RETIRE HIM NOW! HE WON'T WIN AGAIN THIS YEAR!

it was a great race except for dropping Papi Chullo out of a hard fought 3rd.

I would like to see him go out a winner.Go out showing everybody that he can indeed show some heart.He didn't have to win that.That took a competitor to get up,and win that.For too long he has been looked upon as a bum.Well he isn't.I'd be happy if they let him retire now.Last thing I want is him getting hurt.People don't appreciate him anyways.

I was pulling for him and it was nice to see him close so determinedly.
That was a short race for him to get up and win. Maybe he will pull off a few more surprises this year before hanging it up.

this keeps him in his average of one win per year, right?

the commercial breeders don't like Giacomo because he's by Holy Bull and they don't like Papi Chullo because he's by Comeonmom, a Halo line sire.

Comeonmom stands at a modest 100+ year old family farm in western NY and it would have been a big plus had Papi Chullo placed in this G2. PC did beat Giacomo in an earlier stakes and they'll never be able to take that away from him.

[quote=SCUDSBROTHER]if horses like monarchos don't get a lot of respect from a lot of people, why would you ever expect giacomo to get any??

it's really a shame tho that this horse has taken so long to 'back up' his derby win. also a shame that holy bull still can't seem to get a break. always liked that horse.

Yeah but he makes them count, 13 starts, 3 wins, and about 2.25M in earnings.

Danzig can act like a btch from time to time,and this is one of those times.He averages 173k/start,and she has to be dogging him like this. I am sure Jerry Moss and Shirreffs are far from disappointed with him.

I still don't get why you want him retired. I am not a huge fan of the horse (although I don't dislike him either) but it seems like you like him a lot. He looked pretty good today, so why not take a shot at Lava Man in the PC and then point to the BCC?
I would not currently give him much of a chance to win those races, but hell I gave him NO chance to win the Derby and I didn't think he would win today, so wtf do I know?

They are always gunna make fun of this horse.I would just like for his last race to be a Graded Stakes Win. If he runs 4th or 5th in a race,and is retired,then you just give the savages more tool to cut with.

It's wonderful to see Giacomo get a "1" next to his name again ... but ...

... the narrowness of his victory and the quality ... or lack thereof ... of his competition ... don't offer much hope for the future.

He'll be OK against G3 horses ... like the ones he faced today ... but don't get too excited about his chances against real G1/G2 competition.

Anyhow ... congratulations Giacomo ... and in case you forgot ... that little enclosure they took you to after the race .... is called the Winner's Circle.

That is an interesting way to "congratulate" a horse.

Cold blooded Savages(that's what I am talkin' bout.)

Well,at 2, the horse finished a length off of that year's 2 year old Eclipse winner(in a Grade 1 race.)At 3,he won the biggest race in America for 3 year olds(and beat the future 3 year old Eclipse Winner while doing it.)Last time I looked,that's a Grade 1 race.Today,he takes a Grade 2 race at a distance that is shorter than ideal for him.So,this is a horse who has won a Grade 1,and a Grade 2.If you choose to think he can't win at the level he has already won at,then you choose to be stupid.You think they just give out 2.2 million bucks to an average horse? A grade 3 horse?

thanks for keeping on the subject, and not daring to go into a personal attack. god knows you'd NEVER do that. feel better now?

yeah, i'm sure the couple mill in earnings more than make up for all the lost stud fees.

Today's " win " was a confirmation of his mediocrity. Sure, he's a reasonably talented horse, probably would hit the board in a competitive NW3X in NY, but today's race was hardly anything to get excited over. He sat behind a five horse speed duel and beat Preacheratthebar by inches. If he was anything even remotely good he would have won today's race by open lengths. Nothing wrong with getting a perfect trip but he hardly took advantage of it to demonstrate ANY kind of superiority.

Genuinely good horses overcome adversity at least once in their lives. Ya know.....like Mayan King has.

You came into this thread for one reason.That was to attack a horse that you have routinely attacked.A horse who has made over 2.2 million dollars.Don't expect f'n Roses from me while you do it.Act like a btch,and you'll get told you're acting like a btch.You want to attack a horse? Act like a sarcastic btch? Fine,but take the heat.

Wrong, they are not going to make fun of him if he wins the Pacific Classic over Lava Man. And they are certainly not going to make fun of ANY horse that has won both a Ky Derby and a BCC! The truth is, even you don't think he is likely to win either the PC or BCC.

I agree with Somer that no bad horse has ever won the Ky Derby. Giacomo is a very nice horse as he showed yesterday, winning at what was almost certainly not his best distance. I was rooting for him to win for the same reason as most. Namely, he has taken more grief than he deserved. But if his connections want him to be considered something beyond a "very nice horse", they will have to give him the chance to win another Grade I, which is apparently what they are going to do.

--Dunbar

PS--your potshot at Danzig was particularly childish.

lol
omg scuds. what do you expect?? the horse gets a perfect trip. all out to beat PREACHIN--you act like it's the second coming of man o war. look, you want to cheer on a pretender, go for it. i don't see what the big deal is that this guy finally finds the winners circle after more than a year of trying. you want to insult, go for it. but you might want to consider the fact that maybe YOU are the one out of line, because everyone isn't lining up to get on YOUR bandwagon for a horse with two stakes wins in his entire career so you feel it's just so uncalled for.

as for calling ME out, you might want to wonder why it's not just me being less than enthusiastic, yet once again, you only choose me to attack. i don't know what your problem is as far as i'm concerned, i've never understood it. but by all means, have at it. i can take the heat, and have taken it from far better people than you.

You came on here to attack the horse.You have attacked this horse repeatedly.I didn't single you out.You have been there attacking this horse all along.This was not the 1st time.Don't try to make it seem that way.You have attacked him the most,and you are simply getting recognized for it.

i don't attack horses scuds, i just don't get as excited about some as others. you want to view my post about him getting a win every year he's raced as an ATTACK, go for it.

you might want to think back about prior discussion about the worst derby winner ever. i believe i chose gato del sol...altho i did say giacomo was the worst lately. but someone has to be, and he certainly has a bad record compared to others. that's not an attack, it's an observation. and i'm just as entitled to an opinion as you or anyone. but i'll try to remember from now on that your threads about giacomo are only for like-minded individuals.

The worst derby winner lately? What kind of negative btch wants to write about that anyways? Unbelievable.

lol

yeah, i'm negative. you're the one who wants him to retire NOW.

You know, I have a very positive impression of most of your posts. But you are embarrassing yourself in this thread. And it's not your sticking up for Giacomo, which is a totally defensible position. It's your need to repeatedly call someone who disagrees with you a "btch".

Your poor choice of words makes it appear that being challenged by a woman is somehow more threatening to you than being challenged by a man. That's what's embarrassing.

--Dunbar

I was wrong, I never thought this one would win another race...

Chill out Scuds, stop worrying about what people think about Giacomo and worry about why does it seem like the Dodgers and Cardinals play every day and why can't the Dodgers beat them, the Reds need to make up some ground and the Dodgers aren't helping things...

I agree. Seems like almost everytime a horse wins a race one of a few people jumps on and points out that the competition was light and that they arent a true Grade 1 horse. Then, the second a popular horse loses they jump on him proclaiming that he is a fraud and no good. I dont get it.

This is a tough group by and large. I do wish it was more positive.

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I was impressed with Bar's race quite a bit
and think he can upset Lava Boy in the Pacific
but good to see "Lefty" bring home Big G
one more time
heh, Smitty has had just as many of these "haters"
on his back this year
Scuds leave Ziggy alone you swine