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Kasept 12-16-2007 11:44 AM

Hayward on 'talks'; State offers Extension..
 
http://news.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=42787

NYRA head Charlie Hayward, who has the patience of Job, provides extensive insight to the Bloodhorse Saturday into where the negotiations with the state are headed. The fetid vileness and corruption of Senate Majority Joe Bruno in this equation is so obvious as to be laughable. No matter how any of us wants this to turn out, it seems at this point that the final outcome will be an abortion thanks to Albany's shallowness and ineptitude.

fpsoxfan 12-16-2007 12:05 PM

I can't believe this is happening in our state. It's an absolute embarrasment.
Joe Bruno is just being stubborn because it's all about the CASH. I had great respect for this man at one time, but it's quite obvious he has an agenda.
I hope for the horsemen, the backstretch workers, and anyone else that makes their living at the track, that there is a solution to this mess.

Riot 12-16-2007 02:35 PM

Bruno has so overt an agenda that even those of us outside NY politics see it loud and clear. And I grew up with Chicago Mayor Richard Daley working his magic right next door. What an embarassment Bruno is.

sumitas 12-16-2007 04:01 PM

It looks like racing will have to shut down Jan. 1 to get a deal out of Albany.

pgiaco 12-16-2007 04:06 PM

NY politics...whores, damn whores, and then there is Joe Bruno.

pmacdaddy 12-16-2007 04:16 PM

I was actually very surprised that it seemed like things were going to get sorted out in a timely manner.

This crock of sh*t, unfortunately seems much more par for the course.

Hickory Hill Hoff 12-16-2007 04:25 PM

The Empire State.....there will be four years of this garbage with Spitzer & Bruno on ALL fronts,
maybe Vince McMahon & the WWE can settle this crap.

pgiaco 12-16-2007 04:46 PM

What's really amazing is that three years ago Spitzer wanted NYRA out and Bruno was defending them.

Hickory Hill Hoff 12-16-2007 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by pgiaco
What's really amazing is that three years ago Spitzer wanted NYRA out and Bruno was defending them.

That's how F-up politics are in this state!

saratogabrit 12-17-2007 03:18 AM

My take on the matter is that I've thought for a long time that Spitzer just loathes racing and if he could ban racing in the State-as it was in 1911 and 1912-he would do. Perhaps by delaying until September 4th he thought he could rid the state of the sport for at least a few months...

Bruno however is just as bad, maybe worse, and his agenda is now the one that's threatening so many peoples liveliehoods.

fpsoxfan 12-17-2007 06:33 AM

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pgiaco 12-17-2007 08:41 AM

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Its only Christmas if they are wearing orange prison jumpsuits.

blackthroatedwind 12-17-2007 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by saratogabrit
My take on the matter is that I've thought for a long time that Spitzer just loathes racing and if he could ban racing in the State-as it was in 1911 and 1912-he would do. Perhaps by delaying until September 4th he thought he could rid the state of the sport for at least a few months...

Bruno however is just as bad, maybe worse, and his agenda is now the one that's threatening so many peoples liveliehoods.

Apparenty you didn't see him on Travers Day. He arrived, with his family, at the beginning of the card, was betting early and often, and having a great time.

Your " take " is simply not true.

pgiaco 12-17-2007 10:08 AM

As much as I disagree with Gov. Spitzer, he certainly is the lesser of two evils in this fight. Plus he got it right when he called Bruno a "senile piece of s**t."

pgiaco 12-17-2007 11:08 AM

According to "The Blood Horse", NYRA has been offered a temporary extension. If I'm Charlie Hayward, I tell them to stick it.

parsixfarms 12-17-2007 11:19 AM

http://timesunion.com/AspStories/sto...ate=12/16/2007

This story gets it pretty much right. Bruno is caught between a rock and a hard place - in his warped world. In order to stop what Spitzer was looking to do (and not admit it is about the slots), Bruno has been forced into bashing NYRA. However, the thoroughbred industry and the Saratoga City leaders are pro-NYRA, so now he's doing things against the wishes of his constituents. The result is that he's been getting huge heat from his constituents, who see him as more a part of the problem than part of the solution on this issue.

Bruno now either has to accede to the wishes of his constituents - and let Spitzer "win" this issue, which Bruno is loathe to do. Or he continues to fight Spitzer and support a well-financed donor (Capital Play), at the risk of further alienating his constituents.

sumitas 12-17-2007 11:30 AM

This extension for the NYRA beyond Dec. 31 makes little sense. There's been plenty of time to resolve this matter. All the extension does is enable this stalemate to go on for an indefinate period of time.

The deal should be finalized by Dec. 31 or NYRA should shut down racing to get it done.

Kasept 12-17-2007 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by pgiaco
According to "The Blood Horse", NYRA has been offered a temporary extension. If I'm Charlie Hayward, I tell them to stick it.

PG..

Hayward has said he's ammenable to the extension AS LONG AS the basics of the MOU, with any agreed-to changes, is in place and simply awaiting formal approvals...

Kasept 12-17-2007 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by sumitas
This extension for the NYRA beyond Dec. 31 makes little sense. There's been plenty of time to resolve this matter. All the extension does is enable this stalemate to go on for an indefinate period of time.

The deal should be finalized by Dec. 31 or NYRA should shut down racing to get it done.

The 'deal' needs to be in place, from NYRA & Hayward's perspective by 12/27 which is when the Bancruptcy Court is scheduled to let the Association emerge from Chapter.. It needs to be in place as it's paramount within NYRA's plan that the Court already approved.

whodey17 12-17-2007 12:19 PM

isnt nyra going to lose $27 million for the year 2007? if this is the case, then some sort of deal needs to be hashed out.

Kasept 12-17-2007 01:39 PM

http://www.drf.com/news/article/91052.html

HEGARTY: State offers extension..

Swale84 12-17-2007 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
http://www.drf.com/news/article/91052.html

HEGARTY: State offers extension..

Seems like everyone wants to play hardball. From the DRF article:
"At a meeting on Monday, the chairwoman of the oversight board, Carole Stone, said that if NYRA did not accept the extension, the board would select another operator."

Kasept 12-17-2007 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Swale84
Seems like everyone wants to play hardball. From the DRF article: "At a meeting on Monday, the chairwoman of the oversight board, Carole Stone, said that if NYRA did not accept the extension, the board would select another operator."

.. who won't be allowed on the grounds.

blackthroatedwind 12-17-2007 06:23 PM

They called NYRA's bluff once and lost the pot when NYRA declared bankrupcy. Perhaps they're feeling lucky again.

My guess is the State won't throw all their chips in again.

Hickory Hill Hoff 12-17-2007 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Apparenty you didn't see him on Travers Day. He arrived, with his family, at the beginning of the card, was betting early and often, and having a great time.

Your " take " is simply not true.


And don't forget his "unannounced" appearance in the pressbox that stole the thunder when Steve Cauthen was there. Our governor :rolleyes: really answered those tough questions that the media posed to him. Arrogant as ever! Both him and Bruno share equal blame with this whole fiasco.

blackthroatedwind 12-17-2007 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff
And don't forget his "unanounced" appearance in the pressbox that stole the thunder when Steve Cauthen was there. Our governor :rolleyes: really answered those tough questions that the media posed to him. Arrogant as ever! Both him and Bruno share equal blame with this whole fiasco.


Wow....he stole the thunder from Steve Cauthen. Steve Cauthen took money to shill for one of the failed bidders.....no? Phuck him.

How exactly is Spitzer equally to blame in this particular situation? He made the correct franchise decision and did his part to further this process. Bruno simply tried to block it out of both personal animus and to curry favor towards his financial constituancy....while ignoring his supposed actual constituancy. He has attempted to submarine this entire process at every stop, while using questionable ethics, with absolutely no real plan of his own....or no viable plan.

Hickory Hill Hoff 12-17-2007 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Wow....he stole the thunder from Steve Cauthen. Steve Cauthen took money to shill for one of the failed bidders.....no? Phuck him.

How exactly is Spitzer equally to blame in this particular situation? He made the correct franchise decision and did his part to further this process. Bruno simply tried to block it out of both personal animus and to curry favor towards his financial constituancy....while ignoring his supposed actual constituancy. He has attempted to submarine this entire process at every stop, while using questionable ethics, with absolutely no real plan of his own....or no viable plan.


Didn't he fire the first shot versus NYRA with the original investigation to get elected? If he wasn't looking for everything NYRA had done wrong under every rock, maybe it wouldn't have gotten to this point. This crap between Spitzer and Bruno goes beyond the NYRA situation.

blackthroatedwind 12-17-2007 06:40 PM

Spitzer may have used NYRA but he also may have had some legitimate points. Personally I think it's fair to say that NYRA is a much better organization as a result of Spitzer's investigation. I'm not saying that I think everything was fair, but I don't think it was completely unwarranted, and as a result I believe he helped create a better organization and one that should be running the franchise in the future. Spitzer obviously agrees with this and therefore did his part to ultimately move the process forward. Bruno has done his part to stop that....and not for a wholesome reason.

Hickory Hill Hoff 12-17-2007 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Spitzer may have used NYRA but he also may have had some legitimate points. Personally I think it's fair to say that NYRA is a much better organization as a result of Spitzer's investigation. I'm not saying that I think everything was fair, but I don't think it was completely unwarranted, and as a result I believe he helped create a better organization and one that should be running the franchise in the future. Spitzer obviously agrees with this and therefore did his part to ultimately move the process forward. Bruno has done his part to stop that....and not for a wholesome reason.

I agree totally with what you said, but I still don't trust our governor. Why does politics always play into everything in this state :mad:

blackthroatedwind 12-17-2007 06:50 PM

I'm not stating a political opinion on any of these guys. However, in this case I don't believe that Spitzer is the bad guy.

Kasept 12-17-2007 08:03 PM

Latest from Hegarty:
http://www.drf.com/news/article/91061.html

Cannon Shell 12-18-2007 08:33 AM

http://www.horseraceinsider.com/blog...ouse/#comments

sumitas 12-18-2007 11:12 AM

NYRA owns the land. They should tear up that stupid extension. Shut down racing. Put pressure on the bums in Albany to settle this. I think the racing community is sick and tired of being abused by Spitzer and Bruno.


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