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Lbigdog77 06-27-2006 12:06 AM

Jesse Jackson - Potential Co-Representative for Jockey's Guild
 
Good or bad?

Personally, not sure either way at this point.

blackthroatedwind 06-27-2006 12:11 AM

I'm not a huge fan, and it seems to me his actions are often quite self-serving. Is this someone the jockey's want representing them? On the other hand, for THEIR best interests, he certainly has more political clout than they are likely to get elsewhere. Good for the jockeys and possibly bad for the bettors as the jockies somehow seem to believe they are entitled to even more of our money ( we already pay them ).

zippyneedsawin 06-27-2006 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I'm not a huge fan, and it seems to me his actions are often quite self-serving. Is this someone the jockey's want representing them? On the other hand, for THEIR best interests, he certainly has more political clout than they are likely to get elsewhere. Good for the jockeys and possibly bad for the bettors as the jockies somehow seem to believe they are entitled to even more of our money ( we already pay them ).


I'm leaning toward the latter part of this.. For the jocks' best interest, this would be a good thing.

timmgirvan 06-27-2006 12:41 AM

Sorry Folks....Jesse has always proven to br for Jesse!

hoovesupsideyourhead 06-27-2006 07:43 AM

he brings no real credibility to the table...hes never had a public office..and being from chi ive seen this act before a hundred times..id pass..

eurobounce 06-27-2006 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
he brings no real credibility to the table...hes never had a public office..and being from chi ive seen this act before a hundred times..id pass..

Jesse is just Jesse, but I dont think he will make any improvements. Jesse will just bring up the fact that horse racing doesnt have many blacks in it. He will have a hard time playing the race card as well. Smart man, selfish man but he can get things done in the correct setting.

boldruler 06-27-2006 09:46 AM

At first I thought that said Jess Jackson, the owner, who is great and trying to clean up the business, but Jesse Jackson, is a con artist. If you can't see that then you are blind. The guy shakes down companies every chance he gets. Somehow he is looking to make a buck out of this. He should stay out of racing.

eurobounce 06-27-2006 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by boldruler
At first I thought that said Jess Jackson, the owner, who is great and trying to clean up the business, but Jesse Jackson, is a con artist. If you can't see that then you are blind. The guy shakes down companies every chance he gets. Somehow he is looking to make a buck out of this. He should stay out of racing.

NASCAR gives Jesse Jackson's Rainbow Charity $250k a year to keep him quiet about not having diversity in NASCAR. They man is a sell out.

boldruler 06-27-2006 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by eurobounce
NASCAR gives Jesse Jackson's Rainbow Charity $250k a year to keep him quiet about not having diversity in NASCAR. They man is a sell out.

There isn't a person out there that cares less about black people than Jesse Jackson. He exploits the difficulties blacks face in order to line his pockets. Any guy who calls himself Reverand and is worth millions is a crook. That goes for the Pat Robertson types too, before anyone goes throwing the racist card at me. Jesse Jackson is an atrocious human being and racing should stay as far away as possible.

Maybe I should start representing whites because the NBA is racist. LOL.

somerfrost 06-27-2006 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by boldruler
There isn't a person out there that cares less about black people than Jesse Jackson. He exploits the difficulties blacks face in order to line his pockets. Any guy who calls himself Reverand and is worth millions is a crook. That goes for the Pat Robertson types too, before anyone goes throwing the racist card at me. Jesse Jackson is an atrocious human being and racing should stay as far away as possible.

Maybe I should start representing whites because the NBA is racist. LOL.


As someone who has actually met Jesse, I disagree strongly! Certainly he has made his share of mistakes, both in his personal life as well as publically, but the man has dedicated his life to a cause and while he has profited somewhat, that alone can't discredit him! Dr King trusted him...that has always been enough for me. Jesse will bring considerable clout and can get things done! Nobody is saying the owners aren't doing their part but the track owners (lets look closely at crooks like Magna for example) certainly must do more! It's easy to be critical of someone like Jesse...but he and Al Sharpton, for all their shortcomings, continue to be the social critics this culture needs.

2Hot4TV 06-27-2006 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boldruler
At first I thought that said Jess Jackson, the owner, who is great and trying to clean up the business, but Jesse Jackson, is a con artist. If you can't see that then you are blind. The guy shakes down companies every chance he gets. Somehow he is looking to make a buck out of this. He should stay out of racing.

Jesse is FOR JESSE. Why in the world would you want him to be speaking on behalf of the jockeys???????????????????????????

2Hot4TV 06-27-2006 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost
As someone who has actually met Jesse, I disagree strongly! Certainly he has made his share of mistakes, both in his personal life as well as publically, but the man has dedicated his life to a cause and while he has profited somewhat, that alone can't discredit him! Dr King trusted him...that has always been enough for me. Jesse will bring considerable clout and can get things done! Nobody is saying the owners aren't doing their part but the track owners (lets look closely at crooks like Magna for example) certainly must do more! It's easy to be critical of someone like Jesse...but he and Al Sharpton, for all their shortcomings, continue to be the social critics this culture needs.

Let him stick to carrying on Dr. King's work and stay away from Racing.

boldruler 06-27-2006 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost
As someone who has actually met Jesse, I disagree strongly! Certainly he has made his share of mistakes, both in his personal life as well as publically, but the man has dedicated his life to a cause and while he has profited somewhat, that alone can't discredit him! Dr King trusted him...that has always been enough for me. Jesse will bring considerable clout and can get things done! Nobody is saying the owners aren't doing their part but the track owners (lets look closely at crooks like Magna for example) certainly must do more! It's easy to be critical of someone like Jesse...but he and Al Sharpton, for all their shortcomings, continue to be the social critics this culture needs.

People like him and Al Sharpton make a living off trusting people like you. Al Sharpton is worse the JJ, if that is possible. If you are looking to AS and JJ as your social critics you are really crazy. THEY ARE CON ARTISTS. I do love how they are both reverands too. Throw that word in front of anything and people buy that con. Has nothing to do with color either, Pat Roberston and Falwell are right in there with them. Nothing better than millionaire religious guys who con people out of money. My favorite though was Pat Robertson naming his racehorse Mr. Pat and then having to give it up because gambling is not for religious people. What con artists these guys are.

hoovesupsideyourhead 06-27-2006 12:04 PM

common somer, how can you say that with a straight face..he is the krusty the clown of politics..hes for and about jesse..he has alighned him self with the black panthers ect..hes a rev. yet.hes got half the south side pregnant..he a total hypocrate and not the peoples champion you might think..he mugs for the camera at every chance no matter what the situation sends himself into places hes not wanted disrupting real negoitations...i thiink the whole thing smells of jesse the clown hey hey kids..

blackthroatedwind 06-27-2006 12:05 PM

Not to be too political.....but has Al Sharpton apologized for his involvement in the Tawana Brawley incident yet? You know, the one where he knowingly ruined an innocent man's life in an attempt to make a name for himself.

2Hot4TV 06-27-2006 12:11 PM

he is the krusty the clown of politics..hes for and about jesse..

LOL, my coffee came out my nose! That's funny.

eurobounce 06-27-2006 12:11 PM

Here are some quotes from Jesse when he spoke in Louisville yesterday. You can also check them out at bloodhorse.

"At the end of the day, you get some roses, but someone else gets the money," Jackson said, apparently in reference to the Kentucky Derby (gr. I). "You have to say, 'Pay me for the risk I take. Pay me for the excellent athlete I am.' "

Jackson also questioned the widely accepted status of jockeys as independent contractors. "It's a long word meaning semi-indentured servant," he said. "Contractors have contracts with benefits."

Following his meeting with Guild members, Jackson fielded questions from the media. He said his interest in jockeys is two-fold: He is intrigued by the history of black riders in the United States, and also because "in the evolution of the industry, jockeys were left behind. Of all the professional athletes who are artists that engage in high-risk activity, jockeys are the least protected."

"That's an old system," Jackson said of the independent contractor status. "These owners, (if they are involved in) other industries, their janitors aren't independent contractors. They know better. They'll do this as long as they can get away with it.

boldruler 06-27-2006 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Not to be too political.....but has Al Sharpton apologized for his involvement in the Tawana Brawley incident yet? You know, the one where he knowingly ruined an innocent man's life in an attempt to make a name for himself.

Of course not, but he is busy using poor peoples money that he conned them out of to start up a sitcom career. No joke.

ladbroke drc 06-27-2006 12:17 PM

for jessie i say
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6dm9...elated&search=

2Hot4TV 06-27-2006 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I'm not a huge fan, and it seems to me his actions are often quite self-serving. Is this someone the jockey's want representing them? On the other hand, for THEIR best interests, he certainly has more political clout than they are likely to get elsewhere. Good for the jockeys and possibly bad for the bettors as the jockies somehow seem to believe they are entitled to even more of our money ( we already pay them ).

The betting public has noting to do with the day rate or the purse % the jockey gets. The Jockey Guild needs to get support from all the celebs., that are a the Kentucky Derby to help with the cause. In the end the betting pool and purse pool will most likely have to pay for their medical and long term disablity.

blackthroatedwind 06-27-2006 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV
The betting public has noting to do with the day rate or the purse % the jockey gets. The Jockey Guild needs to get support from all the celebs., that are a the Kentucky Derby to help with the cause. In the end the betting pool and purse pool will most likely have to pay for their medical and long term disablity.

Ummmm, who do you think funds the purses from which the jockey's recieve, at least, the bulk of their pay?

That would be the bettors. Those same bettors these same jockeys were looking to tax even more in Kentucky recently to cover their insurance.

sumitas 06-27-2006 01:56 PM

Jackson lacks credibility. His racist tendencies are troublesome.

pgardn 06-27-2006 02:06 PM

Pat Buchanan of the left. Out for himself. Exploits hatred. Sharpton is worse though.

Cajungator26 06-27-2006 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by boldruler
There isn't a person out there that cares less about black people than Jesse Jackson. He exploits the difficulties blacks face in order to line his pockets. Any guy who calls himself Reverand and is worth millions is a crook. That goes for the Pat Robertson types too, before anyone goes throwing the racist card at me. Jesse Jackson is an atrocious human being and racing should stay as far away as possible.

Maybe I should start representing whites because the NBA is racist. LOL.

I agree 100%!!! He's a manipulating con artist. He's also a cheater... I have met him a few times and he cheats on his wife and is a hypocrite.

2MinsToPost 06-27-2006 03:02 PM

Why would a Jockey want him representing them? Has he ever held a position, any position, in this industry? If I am a Jockey, I want someone who knows the business representing me, someone who has an established reputation in the business.

Dosen't Jesse Jackson have more important things to worry about?

blackthroatedwind 06-27-2006 03:07 PM

Maybe Jesse Jackson saw how easily Tim Smith fleeced and fooled the racing establishment and figured the industry was ripe for picking.

onebadbeast 06-28-2006 01:43 AM

Jackson
 
This Guy Sticks His Mug In Everyones Business. Lets Hope He Steps In Something Brown!

Samm 06-28-2006 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost
As someone who has actually met Jesse, I disagree strongly! Certainly he has made his share of mistakes, both in his personal life as well as publically, but the man has dedicated his life to a cause and while he has profited somewhat, that alone can't discredit him! Dr King trusted him...that has always been enough for me. Jesse will bring considerable clout and can get things done! Nobody is saying the owners aren't doing their part but the track owners (lets look closely at crooks like Magna for example) certainly must do more! It's easy to be critical of someone like Jesse...but he and Al Sharpton, for all their shortcomings, continue to be the social critics this culture needs.

Im sure his wife felt that way too!;)

Cajungator26 06-28-2006 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by somerfrost
As someone who has actually met Jesse, I disagree strongly! Certainly he has made his share of mistakes, both in his personal life as well as publically, but the man has dedicated his life to a cause and while he has profited somewhat, that alone can't discredit him! Dr King trusted him...that has always been enough for me. Jesse will bring considerable clout and can get things done! Nobody is saying the owners aren't doing their part but the track owners (lets look closely at crooks like Magna for example) certainly must do more! It's easy to be critical of someone like Jesse...but he and Al Sharpton, for all their shortcomings, continue to be the social critics this culture needs.

Somer, I have met Jesse too, and I disagree with you. He uses other blacks to line his pockets. He is close friends with a HUGE attorney down in south Florida that I know personally, and I was "lucky" enough to meet Jesse on numerous occasions. It is SAD what he has done and that is JMO.

Downthestretch55 06-29-2006 04:51 PM

DUHH me...I thought NYRA had problems...

http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/tod...64741&subsec=1

JJP 06-29-2006 05:16 PM

The race isn't the Kentucky Derby anymore.

Its the YUM! Kentucky Derby

OK, I'm biased being a shareholder.

Downthestretch55 06-29-2006 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by JJP
The race isn't the Kentucky Derby anymore.

Its the YUM! Kentucky Derby

OK, I'm biased being a shareholder.

JJP,
Not for nothin' but the article I posted was about Manley and Jackson taking over the Jockey's Guild.
btw, isn't Anheuiser- Busch taking over the sponsorship? Or am I really uninformed?
DTS

JJP 06-29-2006 06:04 PM

Actually I think you're right. I just saw something about it on another site. A couple of posts in the thread earlier mentioned the Kentucky Derby, which I guess now is the Amheuser-Busch Kentucky Derby, not the Yum! Kentucky Derby.

ezrabrooks 06-29-2006 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by somerfrost
As someone who has actually met Jesse, I disagree strongly! Certainly he has made his share of mistakes, both in his personal life as well as publically, but the man has dedicated his life to a cause and while he has profited somewhat, that alone can't discredit him! Dr King trusted him...that has always been enough for me. Jesse will bring considerable clout and can get things done! Nobody is saying the owners aren't doing their part but the track owners (lets look closely at crooks like Magna for example) certainly must do more! It's easy to be critical of someone like Jesse...but he and Al Sharpton, for all their shortcomings, continue to be the social critics this culture needs.

Somer, I respect your opinion of JJ, although I don't share same. I am afraid that your use of "considerable clout" will equal some kinda "blackmail".

timmgirvan 06-29-2006 10:50 PM

Already said my peice about Jesse, but as a humble servant of the people he carts away close to 2 mill in cash and perks every year.


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