Comely - G2
 

I think this race came up pretty weak...so is Perfect Forest beatable? Visually, her last race was very impressive although the Beyer didn't come back super strong (84). Last race was a perfect set-up and she gets that distance again. I hate these sort of Stakes races. :mad:

Anyone think Fee Fi Fo Fum or Boca Grande are the goods to beat her?

I love Fee Fi Fo Fum here and did even before I saw she was trained by Jerkens. Ran third last out to horses who came back to run 1st and 4th in the Ashland in her first dirt start.

You know I was hyping Boca Grande before she ever started but I think she's been horrifically overrated over that slow stakes win. Not that she couldn't improve here but she hasn't shown me anything yet to include her on my ticket with the likes of Fee Fi Fo Fum in the race. We going to have a Cinderella/Jack and the Beanstalk Oaks exacta?

Any one of these could win.

i will take boca grande, i like her going back to ny.

I'm not sure I would elevate the Bonnie Miss because of the results of the polytrack Ashland. First of all, the easy winner was a very mediocre 4th with the second finisher a dream trip winner. But, mostly using two different surfaces to legitimize ( or minimize ) one of the races seems tricky at best.

Fee Fi Fo Fum had an absolutely perfect trip in the Bonnie Miss and did, at most, a negligible amount of running. I don't understand how you can say about Boca Grande, who at least ran OK in winning the Demoiselle, " she hasn't shown me anything yet to include her on my ticket with the likes of Fee Fi Fo Fum in the race " when the " likes of Fee Fi Fo Fum " seems, at best, to be fair.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not thrilled with Boca Grande's chances tomorrow, but as of now she is a far more accomplished horse than Fee Fi Fo Fum. Maybe that will change, but right now that's the case.

Desire to Excel over My Kitty.

I don't know about that. For instance, I would be inclined to take my chances against the Contessa foursome and the slug from Laurel.

I only see 3 from Contessa!

You are correct sir. Sorry.

He has only three bad horses in the race.

I watched the replay of the race tonight and thought the same thing, although the comments in the DRF say 'unlucky' trip in the Bonnie Miss. No where did I see her lose momentum.

Being from Contessa is exactly why I can't toss em.

Yeah, I watched it a few times last night, looking for the phantom trouble from the chart line. I'm glad I'm not the only one that missed it. I think there is a tendency to find trouble in trips where horses are being held behind other horses especially in the pocket, where the horse is very visible, down the backstretch.

Yeah, but he's had this crew for a while and they are decidedly mediocre and overmatched tomorrow.

I've only capped this on the basis of the Brisnet figures so the Beyers may paint a very different picture but in the Brisnet number Boca Grande is very slow. I've watched Get Ready Bertie be drastically overbet this year when she looked terrible on the Brisnet figures and now I expect the same with Boca Grande. We'll see who comes out on top tomorrow but I'll be betting it is FFFF or the Pletcher filly and most definitely not Boca Grande (despite the fact that I like her a lot).

I'm not singing Boca Grande's praises, but right now she is more accomplished than Fee Fi Fo Fum, and am inclined to use neither tomorrow. Personally I'm interested in Lost Etiquette though if the track is playing like Friday it definitely elevates Perfect Forest and Desire To Excel.

This was a great example of one of those moments where you learn by doing your homework.

That's why watching replays is great.

The more I look at Desire to Excel the more I like her. 2nd start after 9 mos. on the bench might be a good play. If she runs back anywhere near her 2yo she will be tough. Just curious about the track condition.

I think Fee Fi Fo Fum could get beat tomorrow just because it is too short and it is one turn. I'm just hoping she runs well enough to go onto the Oaks cause I think she'd have a great shot there of at least hitting the board at long odds. Desire to Excel just screams sprinter at me and I won't be playing her. I agree that Lost Etiquette is dangerous.

The Kentucky Oaks? Are you serious? That's seems like a virtual impossibility. Not a Jimmy Jerkens type move. Plus, she would be WAY out of her league. I suppose if she runs well tomorrow he would consider the Black Eyed Susan.

We'll have to see. Rags to Riches is really the only scary horse going there. If she can run well at a one turn mile I think she'd fit in very well at the Oaks. She is bred to run all day so if she can show some speed tomorrow then look out. Jerkens isn't scared to bring a horse back in three weeks either. I'd be fine with the Black Eyed Susan but if she runs well enough at a mile I think she'd fit in just fine at the Oaks.

Fee Fi Fo Fum has run two career races and neither is particularly good and you are talking about her like she's done something noteworthy. I don't understand.

Don't really know what there is to understand. Every horse at some point only has two career races. Hers are first in a maiden on turf and third in a G2 on dirt, better than most. I think she'll turn out to be a very good horse. Only time will tell.

But she's never run a good race.

I don't think any of these have run a 'good' race. Perfect Forest hasn't had to overcome anything in any of her races, although it is looking like she might not have to tomorrow either.

I think the Bonnie Miss will turn out to be a pretty good race. Her last out Brisnet figure is tops in the field tomorrow. The top two from the Bonnie Miss went on to run 1st and 4th in a G1 that was on poly. You can dismiss that cause of the poly but at the same time maybe they would have done better if it was on dirt, who really knows. In my opinion though her 94 brisnet was legitimized by the top two coming back to run well regardless of the surface. That 94 should be good enough to win here and considering it was her first dirt start and second lifetime start there is legitimate reason to believe she might move forward.

I don't agree, or see anything special about this horse, but good luck. Tomorrow's field is nothing special on paper...but the Oaks? Maybe the Monmouth Oaks.

A number of these have run better races than Fee Fi Fo Fum. There's more than a reasonable chance she won't get a perfect trip everytime she runs.

Who is really scary in the Oaks behind Rags? High Heels is a solid second choice then you are probably looking at the same horses that ran in the Bonnie Miss. If I thought this years Kentucky Oaks was coming up any stronger than most years Monmouth Oaks does then I wouldn't consider her an Oaks horse. This year it is a crapshoot.

I think this year's KY Oaks field is looking pretty good.

Honestly I see Perfect Forest tough to beat even though she isn't that much of a spectacular filly.

Fee Fi Fo Fum
 

Granted she's hard to like anywhere close to her 7/2 m/l given her short resume, but her Bonnie Miss race was a good effort IMHO, especially since it was her first effort vs winners and only 2d l/t start. Bravo gave her a poor ride that day, forced to steady 2 or 3 times down the backside and still she kept her composure and finished with good energy in the lane vs a couple of very good fillies. If she moves forward off that effort she's in the mix late vs these.

Because the Oaks field isn't " scary ", though you keep saying " besides Rags to Riches " as though her presense isn't VERY important, doesn't mean a horse like Fee Fi Fo Fum belongs. There are quite a few fillies well ahead of Fee Fi Fo Fum....whether or not they are " scary ". It's a moot ( by the way I love it when people spell this " mute " ) point, as she won't be in the Oaks, but she is a legitimate 100-1 in the Oaks right now and most likely higher.

I don't know if I would call her THE horse to beat but she's certainly one of them. It's actually kind of an interesting race.

I guess Perfect Forest will be the favorite but it should be close. It's not an easy race to get a read on.

Even if she wins the G2 Comely? You don't think she'd even belong in the field?

Believe me, I think Bravo's riding performance at Gulfstream this meet was downright pathetic, but I can neither fault his ride on Fee Fi Fo Fum nor see what trouble you are talking about. Mildly steadying along, while inside in the pocket, especially in a two turn race at Gulfstream, is pretty close to a perfect trip to me.

That is why I started this thread...Pletcher irks me, just when you think you might be able to beat him you can't. I'm awful at finding his weak favorites, unless you have Gomez on one of his other starters at a price. LOL

It depends. I don't care that it's a Grade 2, or that it's called the Comely, only what kind of performances are given. Based on the pps of the field, and her prior races, I will be surprised if, should she win, it is an even mildly noteworthy effort. Right now this is a field of " maybes ", and a few never will bes, and personally I will be surprised if, based on what I have seen, Fee Fi Fo Fum delivers anything close to a knockout performance.

If I hadn't met you I would be convinced you were Jason Blewitt the way you love Jimmy Jerkens horses.

He's a terrific trainer, with great help, a great program, and a barnful of WAY better than average horses. He rules all divisions. But, he's overbet, so if you are selective you do fine playing against him. He is not a trainer with a positive ROI. His horses pay slightly better than $2 less the takeout.

Well we'll have Panty Raid coming in off a slow allowance win on the poly and probably drawing a decent amount of money so I can't really see how the winner of the Comely would be that out of place.

I swear I liked her before I saw she was trained by Jerkens. I actually was a big fan of Sir Greeley and Corinthian for almost a year before I realized they were both trained by him.