The Skins offered Haynesworth and a 2nd round pick to the Eagles for McNabb.

Eagles turned it down.. wanted a 2011 4th round pick for McNabb instead of Haynesworth.

I highly doubt the skins could get a 1st or 2nd round pick for him.

Maybe a third or fourth round pick.. or two late round picks. He's a locker room cancer and after last season doesnt have much worth.

Back to the McNabb trade... The current Eagles players are THRILLED that Kolb is their QB now. Even D-Jax said "a change was needed" You read any of the quotes from Jackson, Maclin, Celeck and the O linemen and you can really tell that they wanted Kolb to be the QB and not McNabb. They have a MUCH better relationship with Kolb and think he's a better leader (which is obvious). Maclin basically said (in different words) that he is excited to have an accurate QB now. Said there aren't any throws out there that Kolb cant make.

I'm so excited for the Kolb era. The fact that the players are happier with him at QB speaks volumes.

Here is Brian Baldinger's take on the trade:

The Eagles should be ecstatic. I view McNabb as a flawed player, and it was never more apparent than in the back-to-back losses to the Cowboys last season. His flaws will never go away. Now, the Eagles get at least two chances to expose the same flaws they've been covering up for 11 years. It works against the Redskins that McNabb is still in the division. Andy Reid can finally stop covering up for one of the most overrated quarterbacks in the history of the game. The Eagles will go to the playoffs. The Redskins will be watching from the golf course.

I'll never understand it. Best quarterback the Eagles franchise HAS EVER HAD, and this is how he's treated. Thankfully, neither Antitrust nor Brian Baldinger speaks for every Eagles fan. I know quite a few who were upset in how Donovan was treated throughout his Eagles career.

That being said, I think the Eagles pretty much fleeced the Redskins on this one.

:rolleyes: go cry me a river

He may have all the the passing records (as he should.. he's been here forever) but to say he's better than Norm Van Bocklin is silly. Even picking between Ron Jaworski and McNabb is a wash.

Oh poor Donovan has been treated so badly :baby:

He only got to collect over $100 MILLION dollars in Philly. And we all loved him the first 5-6 years when he would actually run the ball which made him a much more dangerous QB.

When he started getting hurt and stopped being a mobile QB.. his stock went WAY down. he's a bottom third of the league QB when it comes to accuracy.. it was his legs that made him very good his first 5-6 years.

Now he's even older, always prone to Injury, and kills more worms than RAID does. That and his former TEAMMATES dont see him as a leader! That is huge! I always had that feeling but didnt confirm it until I read all the quotes from the Eagles players on Monday. I write a post about this fact and I'm treating McNabb poorly? Because I posted the truth?

Besides getting boo'd when he was drafted (which was totally uncalled for and ridiculous), McNabb has been treated fairly. You dont go to play football in Philly and think everything will always be peachy. He's a man, he can handle the criticism, unlike you. Pansies dont play football.

We want CHAMPIONSHIPS, 2nd place is the first loser. If Kolb loses 4 NFC Championship games for us he'll get just the same critism. Our defense was GREAT when we were winning so much in the first half of the decade. And its just fact that McNabb doesnt come up big in the clutch. If he had.. or even just won us ONE superbowl, he would be more celebrated in Philly than Chase Utley and Charley Manuel.

No offense, but real Philly fans (myself included) dont give a crap about your feelings, McNabbs feelings, or the Washington Nationals fans feelings. That is the way it should be.

You are insane if you think Norm Van Brocklin was a better quarterback than Donovan. Laughably insane at that. With all due respect, of course. Hell, he's probably the best PLAYER the franchise has ever had. Any real Eagles fan or someone who has actually watched football for more than five minutes would probably recognize that.

P.S. - I grew up right outside of Philly, so please don't call me a Washington Nationals fan. That is borderline offensive and most certainly beyond demeaning.

Didnt Chuck Bednarik and Reggie White play for the Eagles?

Chuck Bednarik? Besides sharing a name with Chuck Simon, how is he a superior all-time player for the Eagles franchise when compared to McNabb?

Reggie White was a great one, but some would argue his best days were with the Packers. McNabb's best days were most likely as an Eagle.

I guess this discussion leads to the obvious conclusion, and that is that the Eagles share similarities with the Phillies pre-2008 in that they have been a mostly moribund franchise for the majority of their existence.

I didnt really call you a Nats fan, I was just throwing them in with the other group of whiners that included you and McNabb. All the Nats fans are crying over Philly fans over taking their stadium for Opening Day. Its quite funny.

Sorry, but anyone with a brain and has a grasp of football knowledge understands that Norm Van Brocklin was by far the best QB to suit up for the Eagles. He's also actually won the Eagles a championship. Just because Brocklin only played for the Eagles for 3 years.. and hasnt played for the eagles in 49 years.. doesnt make DMac better.

and best Player over all!?!? yeah McNabb is just so much better than Reggie White, Sonny Jurgensen, Jerome Brown, Seth Joyner, Eric Allen, Wilbert Montgomery, Chuck Bednarik, Brian Dawkins, STEVE VAN BUREN, Tommy McDonald, Mike Quick, etc. etc. etc. etc.

Shoot.. even Shawn Andrews (when mentally healthy) and T.O (as much as it pains me to say) are better football players than McNabb.

McNabb wouldnt even make the top 10 finalist list when voting on the Best Eagle of all time.

The first two paragraphs really show your knowledge for football..

LOL the only thing remotely correct about this post is the last sentence. Though most franchises are crappy for the majority of their existence.

Seriously, you're insane. Shawn Andrews? Mike Quick? Wilbert freaking Montgomery? Oh God, make it stop.

Look, I said the Eagles fleeced the Redskins, and they clearly did. That doesn't make Donovan's tenure as an Eagle any less meaningful.

I think it's fantastic that every time there's a Mets, Red Sox, or Phillies game at Nationals Park that Nats fans compromise something like 20 percent of the crowd. Shoot, I don't even know if there really are any Nationals "fans" in DC anyway, it's such a transient place. It's no different - to a lesser extent now that the Caps are actually good - than the eleventy billion fans of other team that show up for a Caps game against the Pens, Flyers, or Red Wings.

Hey you said best player, not best career. I'll give you that McNabb's Eagles career is as good or better than any Philly player. He is not nearly the best player they have had though.

In 2006 and 2007, the best player on the Philadelphia Eagles was Shawn Andrews.. so there you go. If the Eagles had dispursed after the 2005, 2006, or 2007 season, and they held a draft for the other teams to pick up the Eagles players, Andrews would have been the #1 pick in the draft.

It is such a shame he has mental problems and back problems, he could have been the Eagles best O-line man ever with the talent he had.

T.O, unfortunatly, is an all time great WR - or at least can be mentioned in those discussions. Anybody who would mention McNabb in the same sentence as "all time great" would have had to have eaten the wrong mushrooms first.

Care to restate?

http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/team/75thteamhome.asp

I will not concede that McNabb was better than Van Brocklin. 600,000 votes & probably 100,000 of them had even heard of Van Brocklin.

Also, 10 players on that list were better than McNabb.

And remember, Lentenor or whatever his name is was voted in the top 10 for Derby Contenders on that Kentucky Derby website.

AND the majority of the country voted for Obama. ;)

Just because you can vote, doesnt mean that you are smart.

we can play the copy and paste game if you want :)

http://www.csnphilly.com/pages/landi...3673&tagID=477

You are an Eagles fan and think Chuck Bednarik isnt a superior player to Donovan McNabb?


-He started on both offense and defense (center and linebacker)
-Played 14 seasons, missed 3 games
-10 time All Pro
-In 1999 the sporting news named the top 100 players of all time. Bednarik was ranked 54 and was the top center and the 8th rated linebacker.
-He played on 2 NFL championship teams in Philly with his last second tackle saving the game in 1960
-He was elected to the pro football hall of fame in his first year of eligibility
- Was named to the NFL's 75th anniversary All-time team
- Named to NFL's all decade (50's) team

So he won 2 championships when he was the teams best player, made the all decade team, was ranked as on of the top 50 players in league history 40 years after he played his last game and was elected to the hall of fame in his first try. Yeah mcNabb's career has been better...

I tried to find the 75th anniversary team put together by the Inquirer that lists Steve Van Buren as the greatest all-time Eagle, but my internet research skills are failing me.

Him, Bednarik & White would be my top 3..

It looks like you and I were arguing two different things for a moment.. As far as eagles CAREER's go.. McNabb is up there with the best.

I was talking about overall talent / best players, even if they played 1 year for the Eagles.

Also, Reids 65 / 35 passing / running ratio really hurt the team and McNabb. Its easier to play defense when you know what every play will be..

I'm talking career. I don't count one-hit or one-year wonders when evaluating best players ever on a particular team. If that were the case, Doyle Alexander might rank as the greatest pitcher the Tigers ever had.

yeah they are two totally seperate arguments.. Obviously McNabb's career has been much better than Shawn Andrews.

Not too many players get to spend 11 years with the same team though...

If Van Brocklin had played for them for 11 years you would have agreed with me from the start.. :D:D;)

From Brent Celek:

"They did the right thing," Celek said. "They got faith in Kolb, and I'll tell ya what, I think Kolb is gonna be one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL in years to come. I hate hearing people say that we're rebuilding right now cause we got a lot of good players on our team and we're gonna win a lot of games this year.

"The people in the front office and coach Reid have seen Kevin's development over the last three years, and they feel it's time. And I'll tell ya what, a lot of guys on the team feel the exact same way. We're ready to rally behind him and get this thing going."

D-Jax:

"It was time for a change" & "It just feels like some new energy is coming around and guys are pumped up," he said. "I just heard Maclin say that he's ready to get the season started right now. We're fired up and ready to go."

Maclin -

"The guys upstairs will do some stuff to help Kevin and take advantage of his strengths," Maclin said. "But he can make every throw on the field. We saw that and we know he can do that. Me and DeSean can stretch the field. So we're not going to eliminate [the deep pass] from the game plan.

"Kevin knows everybody's assignment on every given play. I'm not saying Donovan didn't. But it's remarkable that a guy who hasn't played that much knows everything, hands-down. I'm really looking forward to working with him."


From Philly.com-

Kolb was told Monday that fans said they would give him a three-game grace period.

"Although you say three," Kolb said, "one's enough for me."





That's MY quarterback!!!!!!!!!

Come on, what are Maclin or Celek going to say? "Aw, we miss Donovan, boo hoo!" Of course not. And Kevin Kolb is going to be just fine, of that I have no doubt.

Sounds like......"" In big red we trust "" ?

I think they wanted to trade Haynesworth before they paid him a $21,000,000 bonus last week. I doubt they are looking to move him still.

Correctly pegged. His gameday decisions are laughably bad, but the man knows how to put a contentious team on the field EVERY FKN YEAR. Not to mention a young one. It's only a matter of time until he buttf.ucks the threshold and takes this team to the promised land, Cowher-esque style. Then the Booth Operator can finally take the plum sized anal beads out of his caverneous passage and sit in a bucket of icy-hot while he types how fat Andy is and how lucky he got.


and Slotdirt is right as well. McNabb is the best player to ever put an Eagles jersey on his back. He worked with absolutely no running game for most of his career. I'd love to have seen what other quarterbacks would've done with his pop warner receivers, for again, the majority of his career. He's certainly revered by me, and I will root for him and the Skins in every game not versus or at PHI.


and Uncly....SHawn Andrews?!?!??!? hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

If his fatass doesn't wanna play nose tackle, then i don't think he fits in if we go to a 3-4 D. I think they could find a taker for him, and he may be gone despite his OVERPAYED contract. But we shall see.

Funny to see Synder throw money around. It hasnt bought him a Super Bowl win. If im correct it hasnt bought him a playoff win also. At least Steinbrenner has World Series wins to show for his spending.

The skins won in the first round in Snyder's first year and also beat the bucs in 2005.

My bust on that one. But only two playoff wins and no appearance in the NFC Championship game? Hasn't Synder owned the team for a while now at seven years?

He has owned the team for 11 years. Unfortunately, he fancied himself a GM and had a puppet in Cerrato for most of that time.

He wants to win...he just doesnt know how. He certainly isnt cheap.

Your very right about him not being cheap.

I could not agree with you more, and Joe Gibbs whom I have the utmost respect for has had nothing but good things to say about Snyder. Which says a ton in my book about Daniel, i believe he is very committed to bringing a title back to DC, and these latest moves could see that happen sooner rather than later.

Mcnabb is a better football player than Bednarik or Reggie White? In what way? The other two are 1st ballot, probably unanimous hall of fame selections. I already extolled the virtues of Bednarik because he played before most of us were watching. But anyone who thinks Donavan mcNabb is a better football player than Reggie White is delusional.

Ive always liked Mcnabb. In reading all of the posts, its obvious that there is a difference in what is meant by "best eagle".

Best career? Mcnabb in a walk. Look at the success individually and the team success over the last decade.

Best Football player? White changed the game and is one of the best d lineman ever. Mcnabb will never be mentioned as one of the best Qb's ever.

Are you really saying that Reggie White's 8 years in Philadelphia were less successful individually than Donovan McNabbs? By what measure?

The statements made were that McNabb was the best player to ever wear an Eagles uniform. Reggie White was arguably the best player to ever wear a football uniform period and inarguably is in the top 5. Please tell me how Whites 8 year Eagle career was worse than McNabbs.

Cannon, remind me of all the great playoff successes Reggie White's teams had in his Eagles glory years?

they had a below average offense. cant win if you cant score points.

Its not like we made it to the promise land with the other guy we are talking about either.

Though Van Brocklin and Bednarik won a championship or two :p

I just can't compare NFL championships to the Super Bowl era. First, because there were only like eight teams then and second, because the Lions, Browns, and Cardinals all won multiple NFL championships in that era. That pretty much invalidates anything that anybody ever did prior to the Super Bowl.

I also don't think many folks would say Reggie White was a top five player of all time either, but that is neither here nor there. Lawrence Taylor was a better defensive player in the same era, for starters. That's not even getting over to the offensive side.

Statisically, thats not so much true. They were as high as 5th in the league in points scored twice during his tenure. They were way below average 3 time. They were very average (12th or 13th) 3 times.

Your point is well taken though. Those eagles teams were about defense from the coach on down with Randall being the only face of the offense.

Could you please explain to me how that has any relevance to Reggie White versus Donovan Mcnabb's "careers"?

Did RW have any control over the teams coaching decisions? Or offense? or Special teams? Or strength of other teams in the conference/division? Why does DM get credit for playing during an era where Dallas went 14 seasons without a playoff win? Or For Jim Johnsons defenses? Or the advantage of not being coached by Buddy Ryan?

For 8 years RW was the best player at his position in the NFL, let alone the Eagles. In 10 years McNabb has never been the best player at his position.
Reggie White missed 1 game in 8 years and never had anything but a great year. McNabb has missed quite a few games and has had a whole lot of bad games. Reggie Whites career with the Eagles was a huge success from day one till the day he left for GB. Can you say the same about McNabb?

Did one time during White's 8 years did you ever say "Boy we could do better if we replaced White with......"? That seemingly happened every week with McNabb.

You are the guy who is saying Donovan mcNabb was a better player than Reggie White and you are going to split hairs between him and Lawerence Taylor?

Inarguably top 5 EVER?

Hmmmm...

Joe Montana
Bart Starr
Johnny Unitas
Dan Marino
Walter Payton
Dick Butkus
Lawrence Taylor
Peyton Manning
Ray Nitschke
Sammy Baugh
Joe Greene
Deacon Jones
Deion Sanders
Jerry Rice
Kellen Winslow

Sure he is in that mix. But you COULD argue whether or not he is in the top five.

I know what you mean though.