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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 660372)

In a turn of events stunning and angering to those that decried prosecution in federal court (won't work, will endanger NY citizens, too expensive, will take forever, will allow him to lawyer up and get off scott free, Obama is ruining this country, etc):

Yeah this guy is great comparison to KSM.

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 660379)

Yeah this guy is great comparison to KSM.

Nobody is comparing him to KSM.

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin (Post 660377)

I don't think there was a huge outcry against prosecuting this guy in federal court. The huge outcry was about prosecuting Khalid Sheikh Mohammad (the 9/11 mastermind) in New York.

Yup - KSM was the biggest outcry. But every other terrorist invoked it, too.

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 660383)

Nobody is comparing him to KSM.

You just did.

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 660387)

You just did.

Nope. Wrong.

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 660392)

Nope. Wrong.

The world according to Riot! Where she is the ultimate authority despite all evidence to the contrary.

Your selective memory in this case is laughable. KSM was the cause of the outrage, not clowns like this guy. Your insistence that he wasnt the reason for the outrage flys in the face of pretty much everything reported.

As usual

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Your insistence that he wasnt the reason for the outrage flys in the face of pretty much everything reported.

I didn't say that. Get a grip on reality, and go insult someone else. Your bad temper and ravings stopped being my problem some time ago.

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 660403)

Get over yourself. There was enough outrage over this guy. Over any terrorist in NY. Liz Cheney making the rounds of the Sunday morning shows about him ring a bell in that pinhead?

You brought up KSM. Not me.

I didn't say that. Get a grip on reality, and go insult someone else. Your bad temper and ravings stopped being my problem some time ago.

Yeah the mastermind of the 9/11 attacks and this guy are on the same level. The outrage that you mocked was because of KSM, not random terrorists.

But of course you couldn't just admit that because that wouldn't jive with your agenda. You know to defend Obama even when he isn't even the topic?

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 660383)

Nobody is comparing him to KSM.

actually you were when you posted about the "no NY outcry". That was all about KSM.

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 660435)

actually you were when you posted about the "no NY outcry". That was all about KSM.

Actually no I didn't, and no it wasn't.

As I have already said, yes, KSM was the largest inducer of these feelings.

Many came out vocally, publically and specifically against THIS terrorist being tried in federal court early in this year: both Dick and Liz Cheney, Tom Ridge, John Boehner, etc - mostly on the far right, obviously.

Plenty of discussion about how wrong Holder (and Obama) was wrong to try THIS terrorist in NY fed court in the larger news orgs, the Sunday morning talk shows, etc. Yes, even Faux News.

Plenty are against "any" terrorist being treated as anything other than a war criminal. Ewen people on this discussion board.

Your and Cannon's obvious ignorance of this doesn't make it non-existent. It just exposes your comments as the ad hominem BS they are.

i think there is a huge difference between enemy combatants and this guy. can you charge one of your own citizens as an enemy combatant? i don't know, but i doubt it. if he were a soldier who 'turned' to the other side, he'd be charged with treason i'd imagine....at any rate, simply a different type case than most terrorist cases, since he's a citizen.

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 660539)

i think there is a huge difference between enemy combatants and this guy. can you charge one of your own citizens as an enemy combatant? i don't know, but i doubt it.

The Constitution, treason, applies to American citizens, yes. The assumption (popular in one administration, not another) was/is that some terrorists are "war criminals", while others are not. Then the treatment of war criminals by the US comes into play.

This is another successful prosecution of yet another terrorist (domestic or foreign) within our judicial system.

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 660533)

Actually no I didn't, and no it wasn't.

As I have already said, yes, KSM was the largest inducer of these feelings.

Many came out vocally, publically and specifically against THIS terrorist being tried in federal court early in this year: both Dick and Liz Cheney, Tom Ridge, John Boehner, etc - mostly on the far right, obviously.

Plenty of discussion about how wrong Holder (and Obama) was wrong to try THIS terrorist in NY fed court in the larger news orgs, the Sunday morning talk shows, etc. Yes, even Faux News.

Plenty are against "any" terrorist being treated as anything other than a war criminal. Ewen people on this discussion board.

Your and Cannon's obvious ignorance of this doesn't make it non-existent. It just exposes your comments as the ad hominem BS they are.

you say many and name 4 republicans. I dont care what Dick and Liz were outraged about. the vast majority of the American public and all of NYC were outraged about KSM, and that is what actually matters, except in your pea brain.

as for your last comment, go fucl< yourself you lousy whore. and chew on a tar ball while your at it. piss the fucl< off. you dont deserve any respect so this is what I'll give you.

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 660565)

Keep it classy.

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 660543)

This is another successful prosecution of yet another terrorist (domestic or foreign) within our judicial system.

LMAO

Shahzad didn't appear in court until more than two weeks after his arrest. He admitted to federal agents during voluntary questioning that he carried out the attack. Prosecutors have said Mr. Shahzad was advised of and waived his Miranda rights to remain silent, as well as his right to a speedy appearance in court, during that period.

The FBI got a confession and the Prosecutors looked out for the terrorist's rights. Great job!

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 660572)

Keep it classy.

you know what, I come on here and have some good debates with reasonable people like BWS, Rupert, cannon, god, gbbob.. basically everyone. but never you. why? I dont know? Why do you drive everyone nuts on here? Maybe its not a problem with all us "conservative folks", maybe YOU are the problem, since its you that noone can stand.

you post this **** like what I highlighted, and expect me to keep it classy. you dont deserve any class thrown your way.

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 660576)

You are what you are. I don't "make" you do or be anything.

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 660577)

You are what you are. I don't "make" you do or be anything.

you do "make" my bloodpressure rise once and awhile. But you are right, its my fault I let you under my skin. i really shouldnt give a flying fucl< what you say, since you are full of shi.t anyway.

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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 660573)

The FBI got a confession and the Prosecutors looked out for the terrorist's rights. Great job!

Quite a bit more happened than just the above:

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NEW YORK – Admitted terrorist Faisal Shahzad was so eager to tell how he plotted to kill Americans in Times Square, he went to court with a prepared statement.

... Shahzad offered chilling details about how he trained with the Pakistani Taliban to build bombs, then returned to the U.S. to launch an attack that would avenge attacks on Muslims by U.S. forces overseas.

... Shahzad, 30, admitted leaving an SUV rigged with a homemade bomb in bustling Times Squares on a warm night on May 1.

Authorities say following his capture, Shahzad voluntarily started talking about the botched bombing right away — a pattern that continued in open court, where he agreed to plead guilty to 10 terrorism and weapons counts without the benefit of a plea deal and with certainty he'd face life in prison.

"I want to plead guilty, and I'm going to plead guilty 100 times over," he said.

Shahzad traced his plot to a 2009 trip to Pakistan that began only three months after he received his U.S. citizenship.

While staying with his parents, he ventured into the lawless Waziristan region in December with "a couple of friends ... to join the (Pakistani) Taliban." He didn't describe the friends any further.

But an intelligence official in Pakistan told The Associated Press that CIA investigators have been given access to two Pakistani men who helped Shahzad reach Mir Ali town in North Waziristan, as well as to three other suspects being held by Pakistani authorities. The official insisted on anonymity because Pakistan's intelligence agency does not allow its operatives to be identified.

Shahzad said he sought and received five days' training in explosives before returning to the United States in February to pursue a one-man scheme to bring death and destruction to New York with funding from the militant group. The indictment said he received $5,000 in cash on Feb. 25 from an unnamed coconspirator in Pakistan and $7,000 more on April 10, sent at the coconspirator's direction.

He explained that he loaded his vehicle with three bomb components, hoping to set off a fertilizer-fueled bomb packed in a gun cabinet, a set of propane tanks and gas canisters rigged with fireworks to explode into a fireball. He also revealed he was carrying a folding assault rifle in a laptop computer case for "self-defense."

Shahzad said he expected the bomb to begin going off after he lighted a fuse and waited between 2 1/2 and five minutes for it to erupt.

Attorney General Eric Holder said after the plea: "Faisal Shahzad plotted and launched an attack that could have led to serious loss of life, and today the American criminal justice system ensured that he will pay the price for his actions."

Pakistan has arrested at least 11 people since the attempted attack; none have been officially charged. The father of one of the men detained said he has submitted a court petition for information about his son, Salman Ashraf Khan, but received nothing.

"If somebody is dead, the mourning period lasts 40 days," said Rana Ashraf Khan. "But this is the 43rd day my son is missing."

Three men in Massachusetts and Maine suspected of supplying money to Shahzad have been detained on immigration charges; one was recently transferred to New York.

Federal authorities have said they believe money was channeled through an underground money transfer network known as hawala, but they have said they doubt anyone in the U.S. who provided money knew what it was for.

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 660584)

you do "make" my bloodpressure rise once and awhile. But you are right, its my fault I let you under my skin. i really shouldnt give a flying fucl< what you say, since you are full of shi.t anyway.

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