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NTamm1215 08-06-2009 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by the_fat_man
I just found the perfect Donovan horse: Written in Stone, WO R3 tomorrow. In tight the entire race. NEVER gets a chance to run. Who knows if he has talent but it appears that if he ever got room in the stretch last out he would've galloped.
Speaking of trips on the weeds, isn't the 10th at the Spa full of them tomorrow? What does your fat chart look like for the 7th on July 19?

NT

stonegossard 08-06-2009 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Suffolk Shippers
I'm not often in agreement with the fat man, though he is entertaining...but saying Woodbine is a third rate track is patently false. I've taken up playing Woodbine since the spring and it's been a pretty profitable venture. It's easy to dismiss it because it's not Saratoga, Santa Anita or Gulfstream or something, but you'd be surprised. It's no where near the level of true third rate establishments like Penn National, Suffolk, or Mountaineer.

I think the horses that run up their are third rate. Yes they do have some big purses and decent races. But those horses really aren't any good up there. When they come south they get trounced. And usually it's horses from The U.S. that go up there and win the big races.

If The Fatwhiner is implying that racing at WDB is better than Saratoga then he is off his rocker. It's safe to say he is losing his shirt trying to bet NY, so he whines about the races in NY. Most losers do that type of things....blame others for their failure.

the_fat_man 08-06-2009 10:26 PM
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I have to watch that race again. From memory, the obvious trip was the DT horse, Graphite Halo (and the other speed). That's a hard race.

RockHardTen1985 08-06-2009 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by stonegossard
I think the horses that run up their are third rate. Yes they do have some big purses and decent races. But those horses really aren't any good up there. When they come south they get trounced. And usually it's horses from The U.S. that go up there and win the big races.

If The Fatwhiner is implying that racing at WDB is better than Saratoga then he is off his rocker. It's safe to say he is losing his shirt trying to bet NY, so he whines about the races in NY. Most losers do that type of things....blame others for their failure.
They are not third rate...
Do you look at the pp's ? Not just the entries.
I do everyday, the horses are decent.
Third rate is Finger Lakes, Charles Town, and Mountaineer... Not Woodbine.

stonegossard 08-06-2009 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by the_fat_man
I don't get the fascination with large fields. Last thing I need is to handicap 12-14 horse races. Why would anyone want to spend so much time on a race? Give me smaller field races. It's typically immediately clear who the speed is, and who the contenders are. Handicapping a race should be a 5 minute thing. And playing the game should be about finding advantages. This typically means playing multiple tracks.
Either you have an opinion or you don't. When I play small field races, I can identify a standout and a 1 or 2 number exotic. I realize that playing multiple numbers is some kind of rite of passage here but for me, it's just a sign of not having an opinion.

I'm disappointed, however. There's a ton of money to be made at other tracks/surfaces and I just can't understand why there's such a resistance to playing them.
Handicapping races should be a five minute thing? There's you're problem. You dont want to put the time into being a successful bettor.

What I dont seem to get is you blab about hitting 15-1 shots routinely....but then say you like to play 5-6 horse fields? Newsflash.....15-1 shots rarely win 6 horse fields.

stonegossard 08-06-2009 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985
They are not third rate...
Do you look at the pp's ? Not just the entries.
I do everyday, the horses are decent.
Third rate is Finger Lakes, Charles Town, and Mountaineer... Not Woodbine.

Those tracks you named are like 9th rate. And yes WDB is better than them.

Bobby Fischer 08-08-2009 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by the_fat_man
I don't get the fascination with large fields. Last thing I need is to handicap 12-14 horse races. Why would anyone want to spend so much time on a race? Give me smaller field races. It's typically immediately clear who the speed is, and who the contenders are. Handicapping a race should be a 5 minute thing. And playing the game should be about finding advantages. This typically means playing multiple tracks.
Either you have an opinion or you don't. When I play small field races, I can identify a standout and a 1 or 2 number exotic. I realize that playing multiple numbers is some kind of rite of passage here but for me, it's just a sign of not having an opinion.
another "copy/paste/print/holepunch/binder" post for TFM

2MinsToPost 08-08-2009 11:01 PM
All I know is I drove 11 hours one way to take in some Saratoga. This past Weds I decided at the spur of the moment to pack my bags and drive up. Thursday afternoon around 2pm I arrived and settled in for the rest of the day at the track. Tired and spent, I got a great meal and a good nights rest. Friday (yesterday) I was at the track all day and in Horse Players heaven. I was not the least bit concerned about the cards either day. Just got home about an hour ago after a stop at Presque Isle Downs on the way home.

Was I upset they had some Maiden Claiming races? I'll answer it this way.
I will be making another trip to Saratoga before this meet is up. Flying or driving.

fpsoxfan 08-09-2009 08:42 AM
Just the Fatman being a blowhard again.
I've seen better Whitney cards, but it was still
a fun and challenging one. My friends and I had
a great time and we all made $. Not to mention the
fact there was 39,500 people there.

fpsoxfan 08-09-2009 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by the_fat_man
I don't get the fascination with large fields. Last thing I need is to handicap 12-14 horse races. Why would anyone want to spend so much time on a race? Give me smaller field races. It's typically immediately clear who the speed is, and who the contenders are. Handicapping a race should be a 5 minute thing. And playing the game should be about finding advantages. This typically means playing multiple tracks.
Either you have an opinion or you don't. When I play small field races, I can identify a standout and a 1 or 2 number exotic. I realize that playing multiple numbers is some kind of rite of passage here but for me, it's just a sign of not having an opinion.

I'm disappointed, however. There's a ton of money to be made at other tracks/surfaces and I just can't understand why there's such a resistance to playing them.
Oh my! This has to be considered for post of the year.

the_fat_man 08-09-2009 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by fpsoxfan
Oh my! This has to be considered for post of the year.
Thank you very much.:D
:tro:

Travis Stone 08-09-2009 10:21 AM
What you determine to be value in any given horse race is just that - value. It doesn't matter if it's a match race or a 20 horse Kentucky Derby. 5/1 pays the same in a four horse race as it does in the 20 horse Ky. Derby. Of course, exotics are where the larger fields are helpful, provided that's what you like to play.

the_fat_man 08-09-2009 10:39 AM
I played 4 races at SMALL FIELD WO, yesterday. These were all my plays for the day.

3 exactas, 2 of which were ONE numbers and 1 win bet

I hit a $13 exacta in a 4 horse field, a $16 exacta in a 5 horse field and a $28 exacta (2 horse box) in a 9 horse field. I also ran 3rd with a 29:1 shot that I'd bet to win.

Now, as my objective in this game is to win consistently and NOT go for the (forced) BIG SCORE, why am I worried about any of this ****? I have the skill set to be able to pick out advantageous plays at 6 or 7 tracks a day and I know that if I wait, rather than force the action, I'll hit some big numbers. But I can't be throwing money away while I wait for these scores. My ROI when I'm 'selective' is through the roof. And by 'selective', I mean up to 10 plays a day.

I realize the normal way to play is here EXOTICS. And, I also realize that there's some sort of MACHO thing about forcing one's way through difficult races. I choose not to play that way. I don't play 35 numbers to get back 5:1. I play single units each race and I split these for mostly 2 combination exotic plays (very rarely will I box 3 horses).

(Most of ) the races are SAR are VERY HARD. Why would someone playing limited combos feel the need to play these races? Moreover, the odds there are just not competitive with what I get at the other tracks I play. This can debated all we want but, as I play multiple tracks, it's been shown to be the case.

As for the SAR ambiance/experience: been there done that. Going to ANY track at this point in my life is like starting to frequent DISCOS again.:rolleyes:


To each his own: I'm offer a contrarian view, as it certainly can't be the case that EVERYONE here is winning doing the same thing.


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