Originally Posted by King Glorious

I put any player that was among the most dominant of their era up for consideration. For me, they both go in as do Bonds, McGwire, Sosa, and Rodriguez.

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Ortiz response:


"Today I was informed by a reporter that I was on the 2003 list of MLB players to test positive for performance-enhancing substances. This happened right before our game, and the news blindsided me.


"I want to talk about this situation and I will as soon as I have more answers. In the meantime I want to let you know how I am approaching this situation. One, I have already contacted the Players Association to confirm if this report is true. I have just been told that the report is true. Based on the way I have lived my life, I am surprised to learn I tested positive.

"Two, I will find out what I tested positive for. And, three, based on whatever I learn, I will share this information with my club and the public. You know me -- I will not hide and I will not make excuses."




So let me get this straight. He is basically saying that he will admit to whatever he got caught for doing. LOL

Originally Posted by dalakhani

So let me get this straight. He is basically saying that he will admit to whatever he got caught for doing. LOL

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Ortiz response:


"Today I was informed by a reporter that I was on the 2003 list of MLB players to test positive for performance-enhancing substances. This happened right before our game, and the news blindsided me.


"I want to talk about this situation and I will as soon as I have more answers. In the meantime I want to let you know how I am approaching this situation. One, I have already contacted the Players Association to confirm if this report is true. I have just been told that the report is true. Based on the way I have lived my life, I am surprised to learn I tested positive.

"Two, I will find out what I tested positive for. And, three, based on whatever I learn, I will share this information with my club and the public. You know me -- I will not hide and I will not make excuses."




So let me get this straight. He is basically saying that he will admit to whatever he got caught for doing. LOL

Originally Posted by Gander

What do you guys think?
ESPN was coming down really hard on the Red Sox teams that won the WS in 2004 & 2007. Saying an asterisk should be applied.
Then Mike and Mike came on and said if thats the case there will be lots of asterisks. So where do you draw the line?

Clemens was a huge part in the Yankees 99 & 00 WS wins. Pettite pitched for them in all 4 WS wins. The A's won in 89 with Giambi & Canseco, the big bang brothers. What about the rest of the names not yet come out? Can they be players who played vital roles in team's championship runs?

Should it only be the Red Sox and nobody else? Isnt that kind of unfair and hypocritical?

-A very disgusted baseball fan

Originally Posted by GBBob

Like you said..where do you start..or stop..

All I know is that Frank Thomas better get in the HOF and Giambi should forfeit his MVP trophy to him.

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

no way sosa belongs even if he wasnt on roids

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

no way sosa belongs even if he wasnt on roids

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

i wonder if he'll give himself a 1 year suspension like he said should happen to cheaters.

Also, the list I posted was just the rumored list that I got off rotoinfo.com

http://www.rotoinfo.com/read_article.php?articleId=380

its completely unconfirmed (except for Manny, Ortiz, sosa & arod) but it wouldnt surprise me in the least if its the real thing.

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I think this is crazy. If you are saying that without the drugs, he wouldn't have had the numbers he had, that's one thing. If you are saying that had he put up those numbers clean, he still wouldn't belong, that's incredible.