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ddthetide 03-13-2007 11:15 AM
IF Nobiz is NOT fast enough, then neither are Scat Daddy and Stormello. Nobiz ran stride for stride with them.

SniperSB23 03-13-2007 11:16 AM
Summer Doldrums AQU 10 Feb 1 1/16M 106
Ravel SA 03 Feb 1 1/8M 104
Circular Quay FG 10 Mar 1 1/16M 102
Liquidity SA 03 Feb 1 1/8M 102
Great Hunter SA 03 Mar 1 1/16M 101
Teuflesberg OP 19 Feb 1M 100
Ketchikan FG 16 Feb 1M 99
Sam P. SA 03 Mar 1 1/16M 99
Ketchikan FG 10 Mar 1 1/16M 98
Nobiz Like Shobiz GP 03 Feb 1M 98


A different picture when you just look at a mile or more. Interesting who the only horse on there twice is.

Cajungator26 03-13-2007 11:16 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ddthetide
IF Nobiz is NOT fast enough, then neither are Scat Daddy and Stormello. Nobiz ran stride for stride with them.
Oh no... don't open that can of worms. I seem to be one of the only ones on here who likes Scat Daddy. LOL :o

SniperSB23 03-13-2007 11:17 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ddthetide
IF Nobiz is NOT fast enough, then neither are Scat Daddy and Stormello. Nobiz ran stride for stride with them.
What makes you think Scat Daddy and Stormello are fast enough? Adore the Gold was the best horse in that race.

estreetposse 03-13-2007 11:17 AM
I believe he asked for the fastest ROUTE RACES:)

Sorry, this was already posted

Cajungator26 03-13-2007 11:18 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SniperSB23
Summer Doldrums AQU 10 Feb 1 1/16M 106
Ravel SA 03 Feb 1 1/8M 104
Circular Quay FG 10 Mar 1 1/16M 102
Liquidity SA 03 Feb 1 1/8M 102
Great Hunter SA 03 Mar 1 1/16M 101
Teuflesberg OP 19 Feb 1M 100
Ketchikan FG 16 Feb 1M 99
Sam P. SA 03 Mar 1 1/16M 99
Ketchikan FG 10 Mar 1 1/16M 98
Nobiz Like Shobiz GP 03 Feb 1M 98


A different picture when you just look at a mile or more. Interesting who the only horse on there twice is.
He's a nice colt, Sniper... but I think he's going to need to calm down a bit if he plans on winning the derby. I was definitely impressed with him on Saturday.

Edit: I realized how dumb the above sentence sounded... I don't think Ketchikan is planning on anything, but his connections probably are. :o

Cajungator26 03-13-2007 11:18 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SniperSB23
What makes you think Scat Daddy and Stormello are fast enough? Adore the Gold was the best horse in that race.
I knew it! LOL

ddthetide 03-13-2007 11:25 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SniperSB23
What makes you think Scat Daddy and Stormello are fast enough? Adore the Gold was the best horse in that race.
then Adore the Gold is not fast enough either because Nobiz, SD, and stormello all ran by him.

SniperSB23 03-13-2007 11:27 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ddthetide
then Adore the Gold is not fast enough either because Nobiz, SD, and stormello all ran by him.
Those horses were all way more seasoned at that distance that Adore the Gold. ATG also got the worst post position. We saw the best those other three have to offer and it barely beat ATG despite the circumstances. ATG should move way up next race.

horseofcourse 03-13-2007 11:29 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SniperSB23
Those horses were all way more seasoned at that distance that Adore the Gold. ATG also got the worst post position. We saw the best those other three have to offer and it barely beat ATG despite the circumstances. ATG should move way up next race.
Nobiz had run 9f in the Remsen, but I don't think Stormello or Scat Daddy ever ventured that length til the FOY.

ddthetide 03-13-2007 11:41 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SniperSB23
Those horses were all way more seasoned at that distance that Adore the Gold. ATG also got the worst post position. We saw the best those other three have to offer and it barely beat ATG despite the circumstances. ATG should move way up next race.
putting blinkers on Nobiz MIGHT turn him into a focused monster.

SniperSB23 03-13-2007 11:42 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by horseofcourse
Nobiz had run 9f in the Remsen, but I don't think Stormello or Scat Daddy ever ventured that length til the FOY.
I should have said seasoned for the distance rather than seasoned at that distance. Stormello had run 3 straight at a mile and a sixteenth and Scat Daddy had run 3 straight at a mile or more.

SniperSB23 03-13-2007 11:48 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ddthetide
putting blinkers on Nobiz MIGHT turn him into a focused monster.
It might and I think he has more potential of winning the Derby than either Scat Daddy or Stormello.

horseofcourse 03-13-2007 11:48 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ddthetide
putting blinkers on Nobiz MIGHT turn him into a focused monster.
They probably won't make him faster. It will be interesting to see. He's a good horse, but I have a feeling he may not be as good as some of us were hoping. He's pretty much run 95-100 Beyers like clockwork every start without much variation at all regardless of distance or anything. Maybe he will explode his next start. I'm not so sure however.

FairPlay 03-13-2007 11:51 AM
And blinkers don't help every horse.

ddthetide 03-13-2007 11:53 AM
i should state, i like Nobiz BUT i think i like Great Hunter and Liquidity better. i'd say Nobiz is my 3rd pick at this point.

ArlJim78 03-13-2007 12:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by FairPlay
Flying First Class OP 19 Feb 6F 107
Summer Doldrums AQU 10 Feb 1 1/16M 106
Mr Tex SA 09 Mar 6F 105
Deadly Dealer GP 03 Mar 7 1/2F 104
Exhale SA 15 Jan 6 1/2F 104
Ravel SA 03 Feb 1 1/8M 104
King of the Roxy GP 03 Mar 7 1/2F 103
Adore the Gold GP 03 Feb 6 1/2F 102
Circular Quay FG 10 Mar 1 1/16M 102
Coco Belle (f) SA 01 Feb 6F 102
Liquidity SA 03 Feb 1 1/8M 102
Texas Voyager SA 13 Jan 5 1/2F 102
Curlin GP 03 Feb 7F 101
Great Hunter SA 03 Mar 1 1/16M 101
Forefathers GP 03 Feb 6 1/2F 100
Teuflesberg OP 19 Feb 1M 100
Dream Rush (f) GP 10 Feb 6 1/2F 99
Ketchikan FG 16 Feb 1M 99
Sam P. SA 03 Mar 1 1/16M 99
Spin Master GP 03 Feb 7F 99
Street Magician GP 10 Feb 6F 99
Bold Start GP 03 Mar 7 1/2F 98
Ketchikan FG 10 Mar 1 1/16M 98
Nobiz Like Shobiz GP 03 Feb 1M 98
Try to Fly SA 03 Mar 6F 98

Do you want the list of faster older horses, too? This is the Beyer leaderboard for all distances, but plenty of Triple Crown nominees are so-far faster than Nobiz's 98.
Yes it would have been more appropriate to consider just three yr old routes. which Sniper has done. My point is that there are no breakaway speed merchants on that list that are so far ahead of NoBiz that you can just cast him aside and call him too slow. Some of those numbers I think are a little suspect and will need to be confirmed. He may not win the derby, but No Biz gives hints that he could run even better if he behaves, maybe blinkers will help, but he certainly this year can't be put on the list of being too slow to win the derby as it would take only a very small improvement to put him right in the mix.

Antitrust32 03-13-2007 12:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ddthetide
i should state, i like Nobiz BUT i think i like Great Hunter and Liquidity better. i'd say Nobiz is my 3rd pick at this point.
Even after Liquidity's nasty performance in the LA Derby?

miraja2 03-13-2007 12:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by FairPlay
And blinkers don't help every horse.
Well of course....but when a horse appears to have problems focusing - which Nobiz appears to have - they could be helpful.

ddthetide 03-13-2007 12:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Antitrust32
Even after Liquidity's nasty performance in the LA Derby?
Liquidity still has time to bounce back.


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