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Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann
Oh, definitely, not overwhelming. Wouldn't be surprised to see it on a Cal-bred SW, or maybe the winner of an open stakes in the Bay Area, probably not in SoCal, though.
But, of course, Silver Buck out of a Poker mare (Silver Charm), At the Threshold out of a For the Moment mare (Lil E. Tee), or Buckaroo out of a Speak John mare (Spend a Buck) didn't exactly score very high on the blue-blood meter, either. And then there is 'by Saggy out of Joppy, by Star Blen', the obscurest of obscure pedigrees that belonged to a Derby winner - Carry Back (winner of 21 of 61, champion at 2, won Kentucky Derby, Preakness,, etc. at 3, Met Mile, Whitney, etc. at 4). Actually all these stallions I've named were good performers (well, Star Blen wasn't) on the track but had unfashionable pedigrees, or average stud performance, or both. So people discounted them out of hand. I try not to make that mistake.
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I don't see how these examples disprove my argument at all. Silver Buck (Silver Charm's sire) and At the Threshold (Lil E. Tee's sire) were certainly not the greatest stallions in the world, but they were both MULTIPLE G1 winners, and they both won G1s at 10f. Buckaroo (Spend a Buck's sire) never won a G1, but he was a multiple G2 winner. In comparison to Perfect Mandate and Flying Sensation they were Citation returned to earth!!
I am certainly not saying that we should "discount horses out of hand" that do not have great pedigrees. I am merely suggesting that it would be extremely rare for a horse (like Flying First Class) to accomplish much, when his sire and broodmare sire accomplished so liitle.
The examples you cited are ones in which the horses in question had sires and/or broodmare sires that accomplished quite a lot on the track, although perhaps not consistently in the shed.