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Kasept 10-29-2013 06:01 AM

FRIDAY 11/1 (SA): 30th Breeders' Cup
 
3rd (11:50) Golden State Juvenile S.

1 Mile | Open | 2 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $200,000

1 1 California Chrome Delgado A Sherman Art 121 L 3-1
2 2 Life Is a Joy Rosario J Hollendorfer Jerry 121 L 9-2
3 3 Electric Eddie Gutierrez Mario Cecil B D A 121 L 12-1
4 4 Gangnam Guy Maldonado E Machowsky Michael 121 L 9-2
5 5 Tribal Mystic Nakatani C S Moger Ed Jr 121 L 20-1
6 6 Sir Barclay SutherlandKruse C Belvoir Vann 121 L 15-1
7 7 Tamarando Leparoux J R Hollendorfer Jerry 121 L 8-5
8 8 Cinmars Dance Bisono A Kruljac J Eric 121 L 8-1
9 9 Better Bet Pedroza M A Harrington Mike 121 L 12-1

Exacta / Trifecta / Superfecta Pick 3 (Races 3-4-5) / Daily Double Pick 4 (Races 3-4-5-6)



4th (12:27) Golden State Juvenile Fillies S.

1 Mile | Fillies | 2 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $200,000

1 1 Smoove It Gutierrez Mario O'Neill Doug 121 L 10-1
2 2 Cal Gal Orozco I O'Neill Doug 121 L 3-1
3 3 Rovenna Espinoza V Machowsky Michael 121 L 10-1
4 4 Meinertzhageni SutherlandKruse C Bonde Jeff 121 L 8-1
5 5 Time for Angie Nakatani C S Solis Walther 121 L 12-1
6 6 Harlington's Rose Maldonado E Knapp Steve 121 L 8-1
7 7 Whatsallthedrama Bejarano R Hollendorfer Jerry 121 L 9-2
8 8 Stole a Kiss Talamo J Puype Mike 121 L 7-2
9 9 Moving Desert Stevens G L Heap Blake R 121 L 4-1
10 10 Swiss Lake Yodeler Leparoux J R Hollendorfer Jerry 121 L 12-1

Exacta / Trifecta / Superfecta Pick 3 (Races 4-5-6) / Daily Double



5th (1:02) Twilight Derby (G2)

1 1/8 Miles (Turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $150,000

1 1 Irish Surf Valdivia J Jr Hendricks Dan L 118 L 15-1
2 2 Charming Kitten Velazquez J R Pletcher Todd A 118 L 4-1
3 3 Den's Legacy Garcia M Baffert Bob 120 L 10-1
4 4 Dice Flavor Solis A Gallagher Patrick 122 L 10-1
5 5 Rookie Sensation Espinoza V Shirreffs John 118 L 12-1
6 6 Dry Summer Rosario J Mullins Jeff 118 Blk-On L 10-1
7 7 Kid Dreams Moore R L Drysdale Neil 122 L 3-1
8 8 Avare Arias S O'Neill Doug 118 L 20-1
9 9 Procurement Stevens G L Proctor Thomas F 118 L 15-1
10 10 Gervinho Bejarano R Gaines Carla 118 L 6-1
11 11 Rising Legend (GB) Nakatani C S Sadler John W 118 L 12-1
12 12 Gabriel Charles Smith M E Mullins Jeff 122 L 9-2
13 13 Outside Nashville Maldonado E Hollendorfer Jerry 118 L 12-1

Exacta / Trifecta / Superfecta Pick 3 (Races 5-6-7) / Daily Double Pick 6 (Races 5-10)



6th (1:45) Breeders' Cup Marathon (G2)

1 3/4 Miles | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $500,000

1 1 Old Time Hockey Lezcano J Proctor Thomas F 126 L 8-1
2 2 Cease Cohen D Jacobson David 126 L 8-1
3 3 Commander Gryder A T Taylor Troy 126 L 6-1
4 4 Ever Rider (ARG) Stevens G L Munoz Maria C 126 7-2
5 5 Suns Out Guns Out Leparoux J R Romans Dale 126 L 10-1
6 6 Indian Jones Castillo A Aristone Philip T 126 L 5-1
7 7 London Bridge Smith M E Hughes Jo 122 FTL 8-1
8 8 Blueskiesnrainbows Pedroza M A Hollendorfer Jerry 126 L 6-1
9 9 Pool Play Da Silva E R Casse Mark 126 L 8-1
10 10 Worldly Flores D R Walsh Brendan P 126 L 6-1

Exacta / Trifecta / Superfecta Pick 3 (Races 6-7-8) / Daily Double



7th (2:25) Breeders' Cup Juvenile Turf (G1)

1 Mile (Turf) | Open | 2 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $1,000,000

1 1 All Cash Saez L Lukas D Wayne 122 30-1
2 2 Giovanni Boldini Moore R L O'Brien Aidan P 122 7-2
3 3 Got Shades Stevens G L Pish Danny 122 30-1
4 4 Outstrip (GB) Smith M E Appleby Charles 122 4-1
5 5 Bobby's Kitten Castellano J J Brown Chad C 122 5-2
6 6 Home School (IRE) Bejarano R O'Neill Doug 122 Blk-On 30-1
7 7 Aotearoa Nakatani C S Powell Leonard 122 12-1
8 8 Bon Accord Rosario J Sano Antonio 122 20-1
9 9 Wilshire Boulevard (IRE) Buick W T O'Brien Aidan P 122 8-1
10 10 Ontology Gutierrez Mario Callaghan Simon 122 30-1
11 11 Poker Player Hill C Catalano Wayne M 122 12-1
12 12 Shamshon (IRE) Hughes R Hannon Richard 122 12-1
13 13 Bashart Velazquez J R Pletcher Todd A 122 6-1

Exacta / Trifecta / Superfecta Pick 3 (Races 7-8-9) / Daily Double Pick 4 (Races 7-8-9-10)



8th (3:05) Breeders' Cup Dirt Mile (G1)

1 Mile | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $1,000,000

1 1 Taptowne Hernandez B J Jr Glyshaw Tim 126 L 15-1
2 2 Golden Ticket Rosario J McPeek Kenneth G 126 L 12-1
3 3 Hymn Book Castellano J J McGaughey III C R 126 L 15-1
4 4 Brujo de Olleros (BRZ) Garcia Alan Mettee Richard C 126 L 8-1
5 5 Fed Biz Garcia M Baffert Bob 126 L 6-1
6 6 Broadway Empire Walcott R W Diodoro Robertino 123 L 12-1
7 7 Alpha Bravo J McLaughlin Kiaran P 126 L 8-1
8 8 Holy Lute Smith M E Cassidy James 123 L 20-1
9 9 Centralinteligence Espinoza V Ellis Ronald W 126 L 15-1
10 10 Verrazano Velazquez J R Pletcher Todd A 123 L 3-1
11 11 Pants On Fire Lopez P Breen Kelly J 126 L 6-1
12 12 Goldencents Bejarano R O'Neill Doug 123 L 4-1
13 AE Easter Gift Rosario J Brown Chad C 126 L 15-1

Exacta / Trifecta / Superfecta Pick 3 (Races 8-9-10) / Daily Double



9th (3:50) Breeders' Cup Juvenile Fillies Turf (G1)

1 Mile (Turf) | Fillies | 2 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $1,000,000

1 1 Nesso Garcia M Belvoir Vann 122 20-1
2 2 Al Thakhira (GB) Moore R L Botti Marco 122 6-1
3 3 Colonel Joan Talamo J Harty Eoin 122 20-1
4 4 Kitten Kaboodle Velazquez J R Brown Chad C 122 12-1
5 5 Granny Mc's Kitten Castellano J J Brown Chad C 122 20-1
6 6 Vorda (FR) Peslier O Sogorb Philippe 122 4-1
7 7 Street Sailing Garcia Alan Mettee Richard C 122 15-1
8 8 Chriselliam (IRE) Hughes R Hills Charles 122 6-1
9 9 Dancing House Smith M E McLaughlin Kiaran P 122 20-1
10 10 Clenor (IRE) Bejarano R O'Neill Doug 122 8-1
11 11 Ready to Act Rosario J Brown Chad C 122 8-1
12 12 Testa Rossi (FR) Lezcano J Brown Chad C 122 8-1
13 13 Sky Painter Saez L McLaughlin Kiaran P 122 15-1
14 14 My Conquestadory Da Silva E R Casse Mark 122 9-2

Exacta / Trifecta / Superfecta Pick 3 (Races 9-10-11) / Daily Double Super High Five



10th (4:35) Breeders' Cup Distaff (G1)

1 1/8 Miles | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $2,000,000

1 1 Street Girl Castillo A Azpurua Manuel J 121 L 30-1
2 2 Authenticity Velazquez J R Pletcher Todd A 124 L 8-1
3 3 Close Hatches Rosario J Mott William I 121 L 6-1
4 4 Royal Delta Smith M E Mott William I 124 8-5
5 5 Beholder Stevens G L Mandella Richard 121 L 5-2
6 6 Princess of Sylmar Castellano J J Pletcher Todd A 121 L 9-5

Exacta / Trifecta / Superfecta Special Daily Double



11th (5:10) President of the United Arab Emirates Cup Invitational S. (G1)

1 1/16 Miles | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $150,000

1 1 SERGEANT PEPPER MHF Torres J R Youngdale John 126 L 6-1
2 2 LUCKY SAND Medina J Powell Mark 120 L 12-1
3 3 AL WAED Guce R Treece Charles S 126 L 12-1
4 4 LITLE BIT Stra K Powell Mark 123 L 15-1
5 5 NO PROBLEM AL MAURY (FR) Eyquem J B Bernard J 126 Blk-On 10-1
6 6 GRILLA Perez X Waldron Bill 126 L 4-1
7 7 AYERS Herrera H Shelley Helen 126 L 10-1
8 8 NC CASEY JONES Russell C Belser Leisa 126 L 15-1
9 9 SMOKE HOUSE Cintron A Nunley Randy 124 FTL 4-1
10 10 MS DIXIE Rivera G A Powell Scott 123 L 12-1
11 11 SO BIG IS BETTER Medina L Powell Mark 126 L 12-1

Exacta / Trifecta / Superfecta

SCUDSBROTHER 11-01-2013 06:10 AM

Joel gunna carry a whip on "Ready to Act?" :) :zz:

helicopter11 11-01-2013 04:23 PM

Marathon Race was ugly. Horses going backwards.

Honu 11-01-2013 09:00 PM

Behold that!!!! Crushed those supposed to be great fillys.

RockHardTen1985 11-01-2013 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Honu (Post 952048)
Behold that!!!! Crushed those supposed to be great fillys.

Stop the madness. She ran great today, the track certainly helped. But that does not take away from everyone else. She beat at least 2 great ones and I think Close Hatches is going to be great....

Honu 11-01-2013 10:00 PM

She beat who showed up...Dance the dance or stay home she proved she can take them to task.

Frost King 11-01-2013 11:02 PM

The funny thing is, if Royal Delta would have won, this bias crap would have been a none issue. The fact that Beholder ran back to her Breeder's Cup figure for last year, means nothing. Why not give Mandella credit for having one ready in his backyard.

10 pnt move up 11-01-2013 11:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frost King (Post 952086)
The funny thing is, if Royal Delta would have won, this bias crap would have been a none issue. The fact that Beholder ran back to her Breeder's Cup figure for last year, means nothing. Why not give Mandella credit for having one ready in his backyard.

She rode a bias and has not beat anything this year, thats my take from many of these posts.

Honu 11-02-2013 12:01 AM

Proves to me who the smarter conditioner is.. Gave her a good rest after the Oaks and two nice preps. Ah showed up and destroyed them on the day that counted. She won't get 3 yr old filly of the year even though she has done something no other filly has done by winning the juvinile and distaff. So much for playing it smart.

Jay Frederick 11-02-2013 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Honu (Post 952101)
Proves to me who the smarter conditioner is.. Gave her a good rest after the Oaks and two nice preps. Ah showed up and destroyed them on the day that counted. She won't get 3 yr old filly of the year even though she has done something no other filly has done by winning the juvinile and distaff. So much for playing it smart.

Nor does she deserve it. She's an incredible talent, but there are a lot of days that count during the year. Not just Novemeber 1st.

While she was in the barn, Princess of Sylmar was winning stakes on all of the other days that count.

Scav 11-02-2013 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jay Frederick (Post 952152)
Nor does she deserve it. She's an incredible talent, but there are a lot of days that count during the year. Not just Novemeber 1st.

While she was in the barn, Princess of Sylmar was winning stakes on all of the other days that count.

Not so sure I agree with this. Sylmar ran 1 more time then Beholder this year, so the 'in the barn' comment is a little off.

Look, Beholder won all the non turf G1 straight 3 year old races in California and Sylmar won the G1s on the East.

IMO, I think a BC Distaff win outweighs a KY Oaks win, thus my vote would go for Beholder

I also feel that if the track was bias towards closers yesterday, Beholder still would have won.

Jay Frederick 11-02-2013 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav (Post 952162)
Not so sure I agree with this. Sylmar ran 1 more time then Beholder this year, so the 'in the barn' comment is a little off.

Look, Beholder won all the non turf G1 straight 3 year old races in California and Sylmar won the G1s on the East.

IMO, I think a BC Distaff win outweighs a KY Oaks win, thus my vote would go for Beholder

I also feel that if the track was bias towards closers yesterday, Beholder still would have won.

She was in the barn for 4 months while the 3 year old filly season was in full gear, was she not? The CCA Oaks and Alabama are more important races in terms of deciding a division title than the Las Virgenes and SA Oaks.

Maybe Beholder would have still won, I was against Princess of Sylmar yesterday because they weren't really aiming for that race. It was almost an afterthought, whereas Beholder had seemingly been aiming at it since May.

I just think it would be a (nother) bad precedent to award a horse an award for one day, while ignoring that she is 1-1 heads up against the horse who had a huge lead based on accomplishments going into the race.

The real Princess of Sylmar didn't show up yesterday. That isn't Beholder's fault, but I can't imagine any sane person thinks that beholder is 16 lengths better than Princess of Sylmar.

FATPIANO 11-02-2013 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Honu (Post 952101)
Proves to me who the smarter conditioner is.. Gave her a good rest after the Oaks and two nice preps. Ah showed up and destroyed them on the day that counted. She won't get 3 yr old filly of the year even though she has done something no other filly has done by winning the juvinile and distaff. So much for playing it smart.

Sorry to disagree, BEHOLDER will win 3yr old filly crown hands down, 4 grade 1 wins, but more importanly 2 against older fillies, and SHE is CHAMPION from last year, Hard to dethrone The Champ, when The Champ has a year like this, if POS had skipped this race, it would be a close contest, BUT she did not and got her ass handed to her............sorry both are good, but The Champ was not knocked out, she destroyed this field....I'm just saying....

Scav 11-02-2013 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jay Frederick (Post 952168)
She was in the barn for 4 months while the 3 year old filly season was in full gear, was she not? The CCA Oaks and Alabama are more important races in terms of deciding a division title than the Las Virgenes and SA Oaks.

Maybe Beholder would have still won, I was against Princess of Sylmar yesterday because they weren't really aiming for that race. It was almost an afterthought, whereas Beholder had seemingly been aiming at it since May.

I just think it would be a (nother) bad precedent to award a horse an award for one day, while ignoring that she is 1-1 heads up against the horse who had a huge lead based on accomplishments going into the race.

The real Princess of Sylmar didn't show up yesterday. That isn't Beholder's fault, but I can't imagine any sane person thinks that beholder is 16 lengths better than Princess of Sylmar.

I don't disagree about the 1 day opinion but I do disagree about her 'being in the barn'. She is a California based horse for a trainer that rarely ships, and ran all the races in her backyard, like Sylmar did.

And I don't disagree about yesterday being a toss out for Sylmar based on the exact thing you said in terms of them not pointing to the race and to a lesser extent the track.

I don't have an opinion on who would win, but if I was voting, I would vote for Beholder.

Scav 11-02-2013 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FATPIANO (Post 952184)
Sorry to disagree, BEHOLDER will win 3yr old filly crown hands down, 4 grade 1 wins, but more importanly 2 against older fillies, and SHE is CHAMPION from last year, Hard to dethrone The Champ, when The Champ has a year like this, if POS had skipped this race, it would be a close contest, BUT she did not and got her ass handed to her............sorry both are good, but The Champ was not knocked out, she destroyed this field....I'm just saying....

You do understand that you are arguing with someone that says Beholder should win the award, and see Beholder in the flesh every day, right?

Jay Frederick 11-02-2013 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav (Post 952331)
I don't disagree about the 1 day opinion but I do disagree about her 'being in the barn'. She is a California based horse for a trainer that rarely ships, and ran all the races in her backyard, like Sylmar did.

And I don't disagree about yesterday being a toss out for Sylmar based on the exact thing you said in terms of them not pointing to the race and to a lesser extent the track.

I don't have an opinion on who would win, but if I was voting, I would vote for Beholder.

There are no races for 3 year old fillies in the West from May-September?

My overall point is that if Beholder wins the eclipse essentially Ed Stanco will be getting penalized for a sporting gesture running her, as she was the clear leader before the Distaff.

Scav 11-02-2013 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jay Frederick (Post 952413)
There are no races for 3 year old fillies in the West from May-September?

My overall point is that if Beholder wins the eclipse essentially Ed Stanco will be getting penalized for a sporting gesture running her, as she was the clear leader before the Distaff.

It would be June cause she ran in May in KY. And the only straight 3 non turf race is the Torrey Pines, which she won at Del Mar.

If Sylmar doesn't run in the race, and Beholder still does what she did, then I still think Beholder wins the 3 year old title.

Actually, if you think about it, maybe Sylmar running that bad on such a 'talked about' track will help her get more votes because people will be excusing it.

Jay Frederick 11-02-2013 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav (Post 952419)
It would be June cause she ran in May in KY. And the only straight 3 non turf race is the Torrey Pines, which she won at Del Mar.

If Sylmar doesn't run in the race, and Beholder still does what she did, then I still think Beholder wins the 3 year old title.

Actually, if you think about it, maybe Sylmar running that bad on such a 'talked about' track will help her get more votes because people will be excusing it.

The Hollywood Oaks is straight 3 year olds and run in June.

Scav 11-02-2013 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jay Frederick (Post 952427)
The Hollywood Oaks is straight 3 year olds and run in June.

You are correct. So they missed a race, I can say the same thing about Sylmar missing a race like the Black Eyed Susan, or the Mother Goose. Wouldn't you agree that a race like the KY Oaks takes alot of out of horses. Stanco pointed for the Saratoga races, where Beholder's people pointed towards the Fall.

I get it, your fan of Princess of Sylmar, I am too, I think both are very good horses, and I'm sure you agree with that.

We can agree to disagree about who will win the Eclipse and we'll see when the voting comes out.

Jay Frederick 11-02-2013 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav (Post 952432)
You are correct. So they missed a race, I can say the same thing about Sylmar missing a race like the Black Eyed Susan, or the Mother Goose. Wouldn't you agree that a race like the KY Oaks takes alot of out of horses. Stanco pointed for the Saratoga races, where Beholder's people pointed towards the Fall.

I get it, your fan of Princess of Sylmar, I am too, I think both are very good horses, and I'm sure you agree with that.

We can agree to disagree about who will win the Eclipse and we'll see when the voting comes out.

The Black Eyed Susan is 2 weeks after the KY Oaks. You can't really compare Princess of Sylmar skipping that with Beholder not making any starts for 4 months.

I'm not really a fan of Princess of Sylmar and I don't think she'll win the eclipse. I agree with you that Beholder is going to win.

But I think Princess of Sylmar is more deserving because she was running in the important stakes while Beholder took the path of least resistance.


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