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Kasept 04-21-2010 07:57 AM

DOWNS DAWN PATROL (4/21): Lookin at Lucky sparkles..
 
Quick hit to start off the morning as LOOKIN AT LUCKY turns in 'one of those' Derby works. Absolutely inhaled workmate Broken Tango on the turn en route to these sharp splits: :12.1, :24.0, :35.3, :47.4, :59.3, 1:12.0, 1:24.4 and the mile in 1:39.2. Baffert will be a chatty Cathy the rest of the morning...

ESKENDEREYA made his first appearance on the track and it will likely be reported that he looked 'stiff' barely jogging once around the oval...

Will report on uninspiring HOMEBOY KRIS work later...

SIDNEY'S CANDY was out and looks happy and energetic bouncing and skipping while out for a light jog...

More later...

randallscott35 04-21-2010 07:59 AM

Not surprised by Esken's condition.

justindew 04-21-2010 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 637768)

ESKENDEREYA made his first appearance on the track and it will likely be reported that he looked 'stiff' barely jogging once around the oval...



Be careful with this word.

Scav 04-21-2010 08:23 AM

I am all about trying to beat Esky, but he just got there yesterday from his long ship from FL, and it is a new track for him. Lets calm down until later in the week.

randallscott35 04-21-2010 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Scav (Post 637781)
I am all about trying to beat Esky, but he just got there yesterday from his long ship from FL, and it is a new track for him. Lets calm down until later in the week.

So did a lot of horses who didn't look that way

Scav 04-21-2010 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 637782)
So did a lot of horses who didn't look that way

Stiff can be taken care of pretty easily, other things like a quarter crack, not so much. He'll be fine race day.

(and don't come at me about my love for this horse because I am not using him in the top slot at all, period)

NTamm1215 04-21-2010 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Scav (Post 637783)
Stiff can be taken care of pretty easily, other things like a quarter crack, no so much. He'll be fine race day.

(and don't come at me about my love for this horse because I am not using him in the top slot at all, period)

It's okay, he's been perpetuating the idea that Eskendereya is injured since he crossed the wire in the Wood.

I don't mean to sound like an azzhole when I say this but I usually take all of these workout reports with a grain of salt.

NT

Scav 04-21-2010 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 637784)
It's okay, he's been perpetuating the idea that Eskendereya is injured since he crossed the wire in the Wood.

I don't mean to sound like an azzhole when I say this but I usually take all of these workout reports with a grain of salt.

NT

As others have said on here before, he runs that Wood race again and it is all over, but it was very very fast (neg 3 on TG's, 3 pt top) and it could have taken its toll.

Kasept 04-21-2010 08:40 AM

Eskendereya simply did a light jog around the track... There's nothing to glean from it. He just went around without any 'action' or stride. Pletcher has his routine for his horses. He'll do more tomorrow and more each day as he moves towards a scheduled weekend work.

LARHAGE 04-21-2010 09:29 AM

Without knowing these horses personally yourself it's hard to know what's normal or not for them, last week Gary Stevens said Lucky looked exhausted and looked like he hated the track, but unless you see these horses everyday and know their personalities we're all just guessing, my very best Champion show horse used to throw a complete **** fit in the warm up ring before classes, if she DIDN'T, I knew she wasn't on her game, it was the way she put on her game face.

tjfla 04-21-2010 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 637768)
Quick hit to start off the morning as LOOKIN AT LUCKY turns in 'one of those' Derby works. Absolutely inhaled workmate Broken Tango on the turn en route to these sharp splits: :12.1, :24.0, :35.3, :47.4, :59.3, 1:12.0, 1:24.4 and the mile in 1:39.2. Baffert will be a chatty Cathy the rest of the morning...


More later...

I dont know if it was rider error in the last race but he looked fast on the poly but was having trouble in traffic and last time I checked there was ALOT more traffic in the Derby than a 10 horse race.

That is my biggest fear is he gets stuck behind a horse or 2 that start dropping and starts checking up as other stalkers and ICE BOX go flying by

Indian Charlie 04-21-2010 10:01 AM

Hey Steve, how'd Conveyance look? He had an ultra fast work as well.

NTamm1215 04-21-2010 10:05 AM

I'll be the first to admit I don't get this blinkers off/blinkers on stuff with Lookin at Lucky. He pulled very hard in the Hollywood Futurity without blinkers, seemed to relax perfectly in the Rebel, now they're taking them off. If this horse is too aggressive early in the Derby he'll get scorched.

NT

Kasept 04-21-2010 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 637811)
Hey Steve, how'd Conveyance look? He had an ultra fast work as well.

IC,

I didn't get a good enough look at Conveyance's work to comment. The new challenge here is all the Derby/Oaks workers out on track at the same time, and I was following Homeboy Kris finishing and then Lookin at Lucky breaking off. Conveyance got lost in the shuffle working in front of Kris. Mike Welsch will have the report on Conveyance, and I heard one of the clockers say he didn't go as well as he had in his first spin here.

EDIT: Just spoke to Welsch. His video analysis is being sent in to DRF now, so watch for it, but he said that Conveyance's effort your typical 'fast horse working fast'. He added as I mentioned that the CD clockers thought he was a bit better the other day because even though he went slower, he was much more relaxed than in today's bullet. Baffert told Welsch he wasn't unhappy with the work, but didn't really want him going that fast.

AeWingnut 04-21-2010 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by LARHAGE (Post 637804)
Without knowing these horses personally yourself it's hard to know what's normal or not for them, last week Gary Stevens said Lucky looked exhausted and looked like he hated the track, but unless you see these horses everyday and know their personalities we're all just guessing, my very best Champion show horse used to throw a complete **** fit in the warm up ring before classes, if she DIDN'T, I knew she wasn't on her game, it was the way she put on her game face.


sounds like Kickin' N Screamin' :)

the_fat_man 04-21-2010 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 637812)
I'll be the first to admit I don't get this blinkers off/blinkers on stuff with Lookin at Lucky. He pulled very hard in the Hollywood Futurity without blinkers, seemed to relax perfectly in the Rebel, now they're taking them off. If this horse is too aggressive early in the Derby he'll get scorched.

NT

Come on, Nick. This horse have never won a race in which it didn't get a better trip than the winner. This is your quintessential opportunistic runner. The problem, of course, is that he's just not good enough to run the most and win. Hell, he couldn't win even if he ran in a race where he got an equal trip to the other contenders. He's got 3 wins in matchups with Noble's Promise and the latter got the worst of it all 3 times. He runs well in the Derby if a handful of other horses don't fire or get bad trips. This PLUG is a toss for me.

stonegossard 04-21-2010 01:55 PM

I think Stately Victor has a shot here of finishing in the top 5.

Thunder Gulch 04-21-2010 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man (Post 637856)
Come on, Nick. This horse have never won a race in which it didn't get a better trip than the winner. This is your quintessential opportunistic runner. The problem, of course, is that he's just not good enough to run the most and win. Hell, he couldn't win even if he ran in a race where he got an equal trip to the other contenders. He's got 3 wins in matchups with Noble's Promise and the latter got the worst of it all 3 times. He runs well in the Derby if a handful of other horses don't fire or get bad trips. This PLUG is a toss for me.

Never won when he didn't get a better trip than the winner...from the department of redundancy department.....
That Rebel was a great trip, well, after clipping heels with the horse in front and almost going down and all.

NTamm1215 04-21-2010 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Thunder Gulch (Post 637885)
Never won when he didn't get a better trip than the winner...from the department of redundancy department.....
That Rebel was a great trip, well, after clipping heels with the horse in front and almost going down and all.

I know this is going to come up numerous times between now and the Derby but how much do you really think that cost him in that race? It is one thing that the horse stayed up and all but literally he lost very, very little ground. He was then able to take advantage of Noble's Promise and Dublin making premature moves to basically collapse the race and that's what TFM is getting at (I think).

As far as the SA Derby his trouble was obviously enough to end his chances of winning but I'm very confident that he was not going to catch Sidney's Candy even if he stayed free of trouble.

NT

Thunder Gulch 04-21-2010 03:06 PM

Agree he wasn't going to catch Candy who was gone behind the soft pace. I also don't think he was primed for either race. To me the biggest positive that can be gleaned from these efforts is the horse's toughness and competitiveness. A lot of top horses would mail it in under similar circumstances...so on paper you have a horse who's top dirt figure compares to all but one, you know he has the right style, trainer, and competitiveness for this kind of race. In a race where trouble is the norm, those things count for a lot.


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