who do i bet in the classic
 

Mind the Brid or Awesome Gem?

What's wrong with you gales. CJ is the bet.

you and scuds can die with him , not me

i think Tery Finely may finally do it this year and get West Point into the winners circle at the breeders cup , but the bird at 1 1/4 with borel is the main danger

I would bet Giralomo over the Bird.

Mine That Bird. Under the radar, deep closer, great value.

yup main danger in the race

MTB for sure in your exotics. Of course I would love him to bring it all. You know, Calvin and all. ;)

Gio Ponti, if Ramon takes him far back early and lets him make one big run.

How can you not love Mine That Bird off of his stellar last place finish in the Juvenile last year?

Mine that Bird's 99 beyer in the Goodwood wasn't that bad.

But saying that, even if he improves a touch, it will probably not be enough to win

rider change and distance

how about niether? i'm liking quality road and summer bird. i think the pace will be slow, mind that bird is out for me. that goodwood seemed terrible. maybe richards kid ran alright but colnel john and mine that bird did not. quality road will be a quality price and has a shot if he likes poly. all the pundits said he should go in the mile, funny a 3 year old miler won this thing last year.

gio ponti and einstein

Einstein will have a huge impact on the dynamics of the race. He is going to ratchet up the pressure on the frontrunners with half a mile to go, soften up the pace and stalkers, and set it up for the deep closers.

Why you think I like him? I used him, but the only 2 I didn't use are A. GEM, and R V Winka. Put them all with C Ball. Pushed the hardest on TWICE OVER, R KID, EINSTEIN, MTB, SUMMER BIRD. Pushed the least on QR,GIO. The other 4 = moderately used.

Quality Road finally turns the tables on Summer Bird. I'm playing this race as if its on real dirt. But I do agree Gales, Mine that Bird isnt as hopeless as most think. Problem is I dont think the pace will be anything more than moderate, with a good chance of being slow.

That's the worst thing you can possibly do.

Well if I handicap it on poly, how can I possibly decide between the cast of characters who take turns beating one another? Its a complete guess unless you think Gio Ponti and Einstein are just much better. Then you have that Euro horse (Rip) who is anyone's guess as how he'll handle the poly. Whos to say Summer Bird and Quality Road wont handle it as well as Rip?
Not putting too much into this as far as money or thought. Just thinking Quality Road is a nice talent who will have things his own way in here. I've made worst bets.

gander, i totally agree. the pace could be crawling with regal ransom in the lead. its the perfect set up for the two horses you mentioned. give summer bird and quality road a slow moving target like this and one of them will get first jump at the lead. the poly is the question, will these two like it? looking at QR breeding, i think he will. mine that birds only shot is if this race collapses, which i don't see. add the fact that zenyatta is going to be overbet and you have a nice number. after seeing that jockey gold cup, i'm convinced that the 3 yo's are better than these older horses. i might be wrong but after seeing richards kid win the pacific classic and place in the goodwood. my feeling is most of the older division has no shot in this race. you could not find macho again within a pole of the top two when he raced them.(its probably the real reason he is not racing saturday) i think quality road and summer bird are this countries best shot at the best price that will be given.

Right now I'm leaning toward WP on Twice Over
and ex box: Rip Van Winkle - Twice Over - Einstein