Never won on the dirt theory is dead
 

Mine That Bird, no wins on natural dirt 1st
POTN no wins on dirt 2nd

Yeah - and derby starters with back to back defeats at Sunland Park for 1-for-32 trainers are now historically batting a thousand in the race.

This is stupid.
Anyone that throws out a horse just because it hadn't won (or run) on dirt was foolish.
Anyone that says past dirt form doesn't matter, is also foolish.
Horses must be taken one at a time. Some can run well on multiple sufraces. Some can't.

The idea that there was some "theory" that should now be tossed out the window because of something Mine that Bird did, doesn't make any sense to me at all. Starting a thread to make such a proclamation....makes even less.

Right, one exacta singlehandedly kills the significance of having dirt experience. Mine That Bird beat a neutered field by saving all the ground, and POTN was a mediocre, drifting out second by a nose.

that'll be the basis of my betting attack next year.

i know it's crazy, MTB is out of Birdstone, remember SmartyJ, must need at least 11/4 to get close

miracle of miracles.

But the nine-furlong race rule lives on!

Identifying Birdstone as Mine that Bird's mother is only one of the things that didn't make sense to me about that post.

me too!

You better watch it. There are certain God-like (at least in their own minds) figures on this board that will tell you otherwise and if you didn't agree with them, you were stupid, an idiot, or both.

i worded it wrong should have said sired not out of my screw-up

actually, what miraja wrote is what most have said. i don't think anyone has said a poly horse can't run on dirt. i think most have said that some can, and some can't. but for many, they would rather bet on a known dirter than one they aren't sure of. this sure has gotten turned into a big deal.

We know there was a certain one that said he can't. Insisted he can't. Saying you'd rather get a higher price on one that hadn't shown he can do it, that makes perfect sense. But insisting that a horse can't do it when he'd never tried it was kinda surprising to me considering the source.

if it makes no sense then why are you typing away on it? are you the thread judge? it was to stir conversation on an issue many talked about with POTN.not to create ill feelings

this thread is so ****ing stupid I feel like kicking you in the face, no way in hell the race turns out like this if we have a fast track. The track was set up for poly horses all day with all the rain. So much in fact I boxed the 5 horses in the ex that came from keenland 4-5-7-8-9

drugs did suggest i unload on him , he most have saw something in the pp's

then you lost $60 on the tri and $120 on the super

A lot better finish than the anti-POLYITES (i.e., the not FAST ENOUGH crowd) would have had us believe.

The bashing of these horses, and this surface, really needs to stop.

Not to worry, however. I understand Beyer is tackling the INEFFICIENCY of his figures on artificial surfaces problem. Yeah, all the major minds in his team are getting together and they're gonna hammer out tighter non-dirt figs; so, his disciples should be back in the game anytime now.:rolleyes:

No sane person can possibly think Pioneer of the Nile ran a particularly good race today. He clunked along faster than most of the others. Congratulations. One horse ran.....and eighteen didn't. Some just didn't show up a little ( or a lot ) more than others.