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Cannon Shell 10-29-2008 12:04 AM

Oden out again?
 
greg oden didnt make it through his first NBA game before getting hurt.

Cannon Shell 10-29-2008 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Just saw that. Over/under on the number of years he plays in the NBA?

The modern day Sam Bowie

herkhorse 10-29-2008 07:10 AM

The guy is a freak. He will never last, he's just too damn big.

philcski 10-29-2008 07:28 AM

I wish him the best, and hope he gets the chance to prove me wrong, but he was never that good anyways. I don't know what the hype was all about. He's much too slow to play at an elite level in the NBA.

dalakhani 10-29-2008 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by philcski
I wish him the best, and hope he gets the chance to prove me wrong, but he was never that good anyways. I don't know what the hype was all about. He's much too slow to play at an elite level in the NBA.

You new yorkers are tough philly.:p

He is barely 20 years old and had one year in college and that year was abbreviated by yet another injury.

At 7' 2" he is never going to be quick. But...he can move for a guy that size. He can jump and block shots like a young Mutombo. Basically he can change a team's interior defense right away.

Offensively he can shoot with either hand and play with his back to the basket which is becoming more and more rare among NBA big men. He needs to develop moves in the paint but again he is only 20.

If he can stay healthy (HUGE "IF"), Oden will be a dominating NBA center if not offensively then certainly defensively.

Mortimer 10-29-2008 08:13 AM

Fine work---you will be a great predator.


I just know it.

philcski 10-29-2008 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
You new yorkers are tough philly.:p

He is barely 20 years old and had one year in college and that year was abbreviated by yet another injury.

At 7' 2" he is never going to be quick. But...he can move for a guy that size. He can jump and block shots like a young Mutombo. Basically he can change a team's interior defense right away.

Offensively he can shoot with either hand and play with his back to the basket which is becoming more and more rare among NBA big men. He needs to develop moves in the paint but again he is only 20.

If he can stay healthy (HUGE "IF"), Oden will be a dominating NBA center if not offensively then certainly defensively.

Like I said, he's definitely a good character guy (generally lacking in the NBA), and plays the game the right way- so I find myself rooting for him, but I was not blown away by him in college. Just being tall doesn't make you a great player- see Sean Bradley, George Muhresan, et al.

Mortimer 10-29-2008 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by philcski
Like I said, he's definitely a good character guy (generally lacking in the NBA), and plays the game the right way- so I find myself rooting for him, but I was not blown away by him in college. Just being tall doesn't make you a great player- see Sean Bradley, George Muhresan, et al.

Philski...Ohio State was 35-5 and in the nc game with this freshmen center.

He's far and away unlike those other 2.



Give him his 3rd healthy year at the outside and this guy will dominate defensively.

philcski 10-29-2008 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Mortimer
Philski...Ohio State was 35-5 and in the nc game with this freshmen center.

He's far and away unlike those other 2.



Give him his 3rd healthy year at the outside and this guy will dominate defensively.

OK, bad comparison, but you get my point. That was an excellent team/coaching job, I honestly feel his point guard buddy might end up being the better player of the two in the NBA though.

dalakhani 10-29-2008 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by philcski
OK, bad comparison, but you get my point. That was an excellent team/coaching job, I honestly feel his point guard buddy might end up being the better player of the two in the NBA though.

I think Conley has talent. He could be a solid NBA point but you really never know there. Look how many "cant miss" types that never recreated the success they had in college (Kenny Anderson, Pearl Washington, Stephon Marbury, etc, etc, etc). At the other end, look at how many surpassed expectations (steve nash, gilbert arenas, John Stockton, etc,etc).

Center is different than any other position. What Oden is attempting hasnt been done successfully since Moses Malone (who by the way didnt score his first game in the pros either). I know Chandler and Curry had moderate success but neither of them would ever have been considered a true center coming into the league.

Give Oden time. All of those centers that you would compare him to have three or more years of development under their belts before they even entered the league.

Mortimer 10-29-2008 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by philcski
OK, bad comparison, but you get my point. That was an excellent team/coaching job, I honestly feel his point guard buddy might end up being the better player of the two in the NBA though.

Well...a little.


I know the negative stats,but 5 rebounds and a block aren't bad numbers in 13 minutes for his first game.

I really think he will be worthy of the 1st choice. Conley was really something as a freshmen....even as a senior.

I'm not familair enough to know how he will do........but the big guys are easier to project..I think.

Mortimer 10-29-2008 09:56 AM

Please don't disagree with me or I will have Dala bite you.

philcski 10-29-2008 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Mortimer
Please don't disagree with me or I will have Dala bite you.

Now I must try to even though I don't... Dala can bite me any time :)

dalakhani 10-29-2008 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Mortimer
Well...a little.


I know the negative stats,but 5 rebounds and a block aren't bad numbers in 13 minutes for his first game.

I really think he will be worthy of the 1st choice. Conley was really something as a freshmen....even as a senior.

I'm not familair enough to know how he will do........but the big guys are easier to project..I think.

extrapolated over 40 minutes thats 15 boards and 3 blocks.

dalakhani 10-29-2008 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Mortimer
Please don't disagree with me or I will have Dala bite you.

You havent seen philly mortimer. He is absolutely biteable!:{>: :{>:

dalakhani 10-29-2008 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
You havent seen philly mortimer. He is absolutely biteable!:{>: :{>:

If he wasnt marrying a great girl of course.

-BT- 10-29-2008 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

He is barely 20 years old and had one year in college and that year was abbreviated by yet another injury.
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he looks like grandpa lebron james in that nike commercial. I'm not surprised this guy keeps getting hurt b/c he looks like he's 42, surprised he hasn't broken his hip yet

-bt-

dalakhani 10-29-2008 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Lets calm down with a the Oden praise for a few minutes. At least until he actually shows something in the NBA, because as we all know the game is completely different than college. I'll throw this out there and you Ohio nuts can call me all the names you want. Oden couldn't warm up Andrew Bynum.

bynum is in his THIRD season. His first year he could barely walk and chew gum.

This was Oden's FIRST game and he got five boards and a 1 block in 13 minutes.

Its useless to compare the two. Its like comparing a first time starter to a horse that just finished the triple crown series.


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