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pgardn 03-15-2007 09:08 PM

Cobalt Blue
 
Merv is all excited about this horse and Garrett Gomez is not on the horse? He is on Baffert's animal. Why? What are the arrangements here?

Air Commander can clearly go the distance, slowly...

Rootdog1 03-15-2007 09:16 PM

Good article on SantaAnita.com on this issue. Gomez thinks Air Commander is much further along then Cobalt.......If Air Commander can get his head in the game, he could be dangerous.

pgardn 03-15-2007 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Rootdog1
Good article on SantaAnita.com on this issue. Gomez thinks Air Commander is much further along then Cobalt.......If Air Commander can get his head in the game, he could be dangerous.

Thank you. I will take a look.

pgardn 03-15-2007 09:44 PM

Air Commander has been perfectly placed in all those races and he has run funky in every one. Maybe he does get it together with this small field. Just looks awfully slow to me. He gets good starts and he has run a long way. He has just done so in a very slow manner.

If Cobalt Blue gets out unchallenged and is not choked, he could wire this tiny field. This is a Grade II race... man o man, where are the other West Coast horses? I guess the timing was bad. Liquidity should have run here in hindsight.

jpops757 03-16-2007 08:36 AM

Is it Gomez opting for AC or Oneil wanting a comitment from GG if the horse moves forward. Isnt this GG realy opting for Ravel and or Team Pletcher instead of AC?

miraja2 03-16-2007 10:11 AM

I really like Air Commander in this one after his sharp 4f work on Tuesday. His Beyer figs have improved in each start, and I think that is accurate. He has improved with each start, and I think the cut back from 9 to 8.5 will actually fit him well in this particular start. He will also be carrying 4 less lbs than he did in his last.
I'm not sold at all on Cobalt blue. He was all-out to win his last, which was an N1X with only 4 others in the race. I'll pass.

mclem10011 03-16-2007 10:34 AM

Let's see how Cobalt runs this weekend, maybe then this one jumps in the mix!

pgardn 03-16-2007 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by miraja2
I really like Air Commander in this one after his sharp 4f work on Tuesday. His Beyer figs have improved in each start, and I think that is accurate. He has improved with each start, and I think the cut back from 9 to 8.5 will actually fit him well in this particular start. He will also be carrying 4 less lbs than he did in his last.
I'm not sold at all on Cobalt blue. He was all-out to win his last, which was an N1X with only 4 others in the race. I'll pass.


Cobalt Blue was all out but what horse would not be with 21 4/5 and 44 4/5 fractions... ? He probably ran the first 2 f in 22 and 1/5 but he was right on the 44 4/5. Thats just fast. Apparently they think he can stretch this 6 furlong race out. I dont think this 6f race tells us much except that the horse has speed. The horse really looks good though.

Air Commander has gotten better but he just looks slow. I hate to go just by times but he looked slow and the times were slow. This should be an interesting race. But as a Grade II it just looks really bad.

Why are so many other West Coast or other Derby contenders passing on this race?

Coach Pants 03-16-2007 11:16 AM

I'm not impressed with Air Commander. He reminds me of a slightly better Point of Impact.

Danzig 03-16-2007 11:25 AM

from bloodhorse:

Determining which horse a jockey rides leading up to the Kentucky Derby on May 5 can occur voluntarily or involuntarily. Crossroads develop and decisions are made. For Garrett Gomez and his agent, Ron Anderson, one such determination involved Cobalt Blue (Just In Case), Grapelli (Worth Watching) and Air Commander in Saturday’s Grade II San Felipe Stakes.

Gomez, who had ridden Cobalt Blue and Air Commander to victory in their last races, opted for Air Commander, a son of 2001 Horse of the Year Point Given trained by Bob Baffert.

“He’s got a little more seasoning than some of the other colts,” Gomez said of Air Commander, who has won his last two starts in a four-race career. “He’s run two turns three times now and that gives him an advantage, in my mind. He’s a very talented colt, as are the others. He’s got some quirks which we’re trying to resolve, but he seems like he’s getting better.

“Not taking anything away from Cobalt Blue, but I think right now he might be a little behind some of these colts. I mean, he could win, but my agent and I had to make a decision. You never want to be in that situation, but it happened that both horses are running in the same race and the bridge had to be crossed.

Victor Espinoza takes over on Cobalt Blue, who is owned by Merv Griffin and trained by Doug O’Neill. Cobalt Blue has had three races, all sprints

outofthebox 03-16-2007 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by pgardn
Cobalt Blue was all out but what horse would not be with 21 4/5 and 44 4/5 fractions... ? He probably ran the first 2 f in 22 and 1/5 but he was right on the 44 4/5. Thats just fast. Apparently they think he can stretch this 6 furlong race out. I dont think this 6f race tells us much except that the horse has speed. The horse really looks good though.

Air Commander has gotten better but he just looks slow. I hate to go just by times but he looked slow and the times were slow. This should be an interesting race. But as a Grade II it just looks really bad.

Why are so many other West Coast or other Derby contenders passing on this race?

I guess the trainers get lured by all the options they have. When i was in california you had the San Vicente, Felipe, and the Derby at Santa Anita. If you were a non stakes winner you could prep your horse for the SA Derby in the Bradbury. Now they have messed with the distances and timing, and it leads to short fields. Pletcher was quoted as saying that the drop in distance is why he is skipping this race with Ravel and waiting for the SA Derby.

KY_Sasquash 03-16-2007 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
I'm not impressed with Air Commander. He reminds me of a slightly better Point of Impact.


I'm with you on Air Commander. He's yet to run fast, too.

disappearingdan_akaplaya 03-16-2007 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2
I really like Air Commander in this one after his sharp 4f work on Tuesday. His Beyer figs have improved in each start, and I think that is accurate. He has improved with each start, and I think the cut back from 9 to 8.5 will actually fit him well in this particular start. He will also be carrying 4 less lbs than he did in his last.
I'm not sold at all on Cobalt blue. He was all-out to win his last, which was an N1X with only 4 others in the race. I'll pass.



LOL cobalt was not all out to win his last, he was only getting stronger as the race went on and appeared to be crying out for more real estate, galloped out great!

Bold Reasoning 03-16-2007 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by disappearingdan_akaplaya
LOL cobalt was not all out to win his last, he was only getting stronger as the race went on and appeared to be crying out for more real estate, galloped out great!

I agree. Cobalt Blue is by a sire who loved real estate, Golden Missile. He almost won an Eclipse when he was four-years-old and it was not for sprinting. His graded stakes wins were in distance races. Sons of A.P. Indy are passing on their liking for running long.

miraja2 03-16-2007 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by disappearingdan_akaplaya
LOL cobalt was not all out to win his last, he was only getting stronger as the race went on and appeared to be crying out for more real estate, galloped out great!

You may be right, I am going strictly on memory here, but I remember thinking he was in a bit of a battle down the stretch. Going straight from 6f to 8.5f doesn't seem like a good proposition to me. I don't think Air Commander is any superstar either, but against this field, I like his chances.

disappearingdan_akaplaya 03-16-2007 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2
You may be right, I am going strictly on memory here, but I remember thinking he was in a bit of a battle down the stretch. Going straight from 6f to 8.5f doesn't seem like a good proposition to me. I don't think Air Commander is any superstar either, but against this field, I like his chances.


racereplays.com accounts always come in handy:)

miraja2 03-16-2007 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Bold Reasoning
I agree. Cobalt Blue is by a sire who loved real estate, Golden Missile. He almost won an Eclipse when he was four-years-old and it was not for sprinting. His graded stakes wins were in distance races. Sons of A.P. Indy are passing on their liking for running long.

I may be wrong, but I think Golden Missile only won one stakes race as a 4yo, and that was a G3. I don't think he was in contention for an eclipse award off that effort.
At age 5 he won 2 graded stakes races.
I don't know if I would say that a horse which never won a stakes at 10f "loved real estate."

miraja2 03-16-2007 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by disappearingdan_akaplaya
racereplays.com accounts always come in handy:)

I imagine they would!!
If you say he wasn't pressing down the lane....I'll take your word for it. But it still seems to me like they are pushing this horse into a race he is not prepared for. I think Gomez is right.

disappearingdan_akaplaya 03-16-2007 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2
I may be wrong, but I think Golden Missile only won one stakes race as a 4yo, and that was a G3. I don't think he was in contention for an eclipse award off that effort.
At age 5 he won 2 graded stakes races.
I don't know if I would say that a horse which never won a stakes at 10f "loved real estate."

Owner: Adena Springs
Breeder: W. Bruce Lunsford
State Bred: KY
Winnings: 25 Starts: 7 - 7 - 4, $2,194,510

At 3: WON Cumberland S. -L
At 4: WON Widener H. -G3, Skip Away S. -L; 2ND Hawthorne Gold Cup -G3; 3RD Breeders' Cup Classic -G1, Saratoga Breeders' Cup H. -G2
At 5: WON Stephen Foster H. -G2, Pimlico Special H. -G1; 2ND Donn H. -G1, Kentucky Cup Classic -G2, Westchester H. -G3; 3RD Hawthorne Gold Cup H. -G3

Stands at Adena Springs in Midway, Ky.

disappearingdan_akaplaya 03-16-2007 01:06 PM

i still laugh about the day he was 1-5 in the gold cup and kent d personally said to me"this is the best handicap horse in the country lil brother ill win by a city block" well needless to say kent made a foolish ride and chased a rabbit and got the horse beat by hometown dust on the bottle with tim doocy aboard, coincidentally dust on the bottle could even win a allowance race afterwards, never won another race period!


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