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Kasept 07-29-2019 04:20 AM

8/24 (SAR): 150th Travers Day
 





Cpt.Bodgit 07-29-2019 06:52 PM

No War of Will?

I looked but haven't found anything in regards to his performance in the Jim Dandy. I can't be the only one who saw it but something was wrong pre-race. Casse was worried about how he was acting and actually moved him to the 3 post away from the other horses (he was the 6 horse). They were trying to get him to drink water and using a sponge to get water on him to cool him down. I just happen to be at the paddock near the entrance to see it or I would have had no clue.

Kasept 08-15-2019 02:21 PM

Game Winner out with virus..

knickslions2 08-15-2019 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 1129972)
Game Winner out with virus..

That stinks. Looked to be in pretty good form.

Kasept 08-15-2019 03:43 PM

MAXIMUM SECURITY UPDATE
Aug. 15, 2019
FROM: Tom Luicci
Media Director
Monmouth Park


OCEANPORT, N.J. – Trainer Jason Servis said today that multiple Grade 1 winner Maximum Security will skip the Travers Stakes on Aug. 24 at Saratoga to point to the Pennsylvania Derby on Sept. 21 because the Haskell Invitational and Florida Derby winner “still is not 100 percent.”

“I don’t like where he’s at. He’s not eating the way I want him to eat and he’s not carrying the weight I’d like to see him carry,” Servis said late Thursday afternoon in making the announcement. “I just want to make sure he’s 100 percent for his next race and he’s not there right now.

“The best thing is to wait until he is 100 percent and point to the Pennsylvania Derby.”

Maximum Security, the first horse disqualified from first place in the Kentucky Derby, has been stabled at Monmouth Park since returning from Louisville in early May.

Dahoss 08-15-2019 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 1129979)
MAXIMUM SECURITY UPDATE

OCEANPORT, N.J. – Trainer Jason Servis said today that multiple Grade 1 winner Maximum Security will skip the Travers Stakes on Aug. 24 at Saratoga to point to the Pennsylvania Derby on Sept. 21 because the Haskell Invitational and Florida Derby winner “still is not 100 percent.”

Shocking :rolleyes:

knickslions2 08-15-2019 04:40 PM

Pa derby could be the race especially if Omaha Beach is ready with Game Winner, maximum security and Mr money

Kasept 08-15-2019 06:28 PM

JERKENS

Shancelot
Borracho
Hog Creek Hustle
Mind Control
Nitrous
Rowayton
Super Comet
Twelfth Labour
King Jack

cakes44 08-15-2019 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 1129369)
Tax (Gargan)
Tacitus (Mott)
Code of Honor (McGaughey)
Owendale (Cox)
Highest Honors (C. Brown)
Looking At Bikinis (C. Brown)
Everfast (Romans)
Endorsed (McLaughlin)
Laughing Fox (Asmussen)

Spinoff (Pletcher)

Penn Derby is the place to be I guess?!

Dahoss 08-16-2019 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by knickslions2 (Post 1129984)
Pa derby could be the race especially if Omaha Beach is ready with Game Winner, maximum security and Mr money

You think Mandella is going to ship Omaha Beach to Parx to run first start back since April? I also can’t see the West’s running their colts against each other.

freddymo 08-16-2019 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 1129998)
You think Mandella is going to ship Omaha Beach to Parx to run first start back since April? I also can’t see the West’s running their colts against each other.

Seems silly to me, is OB even close to starting? Rollo might know?

Kasept 08-16-2019 10:45 AM

Omaha Beach runs on the 25th in the Shared Belief.

freddymo 08-16-2019 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 1130001)
Omaha Beach runs on the 25th in the Shared Belief.

Thanks, Steve

knickslions2 08-16-2019 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 1129998)
You think Mandella is going to ship Omaha Beach to Parx to run first start back since April? I also can’t see the West’s running their colts against each other.

I think shared belief is running a race next weekend.

knickslions2 08-16-2019 11:10 AM

Didn’t see Steve’s post sorry. If he comes out out that race fine I definitely think he will be there. I think game winner will be there for sure. Mr money for sure. Hoping on max security and leaning towards him running as there isn’t much left if he wants to run classic

Kasept 08-16-2019 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by knickslions2 (Post 1130005)
Didn’t see Steve’s post sorry. If he comes out out that race fine I definitely think he will be there. I think game winner will be there for sure. Mr money for sure. Hoping on max security and leaning towards him running as there isn’t much left if he wants to run classic

Not sure Mandella wouldn't wait the extra week and run in the Awesome Again at home on 9/28.. Gives him 34 days between starts v. 27 (and cross country ship) to PA Derby..

On other hand, $1,000,000 v. $300,000 and PHA is Rick Porter's backyard..

Dahoss 08-16-2019 03:24 PM

The West’s want an eclipse. If Maximum Security runs at Parx, no way Game Winner does.

I also can’t believe Mandella ships to Parx but I guess we will see.

knickslions2 08-16-2019 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 1130023)
The West’s want an eclipse. If Maximum Security runs at Parx, no way Game Winner does.

I also can’t believe Mandella ships to Parx but I guess we will see.

Read somewhere that Max gets a 50k bonus to run there but not 100% sure it’s true.

Kasept 08-16-2019 04:47 PM

Spinoff & Scars Are Cool both leaning towards starts.. Chess Chief (2nd, West Virginia Derby) as suggested yesterday on ATR a go as well.

Kasept 08-17-2019 12:15 PM

Omaha Beach sick now with virus/fever too..

knickslions2 08-17-2019 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 1130071)
Omaha Beach sick now with virus/fever too..

That’s sux. No way he runs in pa derby now. Awesome again for sure

Kasept 08-19-2019 01:52 PM

Mucho Gusto coming after zippy drill..

casp0555 08-20-2019 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 1130236)
Mucho Gusto coming after zippy drill..

this should be interesting....

Kasept 08-20-2019 05:34 PM

1. Owendale (Brad Cox/Florent Geroux) 6-1
2. Code Of Honor (Shug McGaughey/John Velazquez) 4-1
3. Highest Honors (Chad Brown/Luis Saez) 10-1
4. Laughing Fox (Steve Asmussen/Ricardo Santana Jr.) 30-1
5. Everfast (Dale Romans/Martin Chuan) 30-1
6. Tacitus (Bill Mott/Jose Ortiz) 5-2
7. Mucho Gusto (Bob Baffert/Joe Talamo) 6-1
8. Chess Chief (Dallas Stewart/Mike Smith) 30-1
9. Looking At Bikinis (Chad Brown/Javier Castellano) 10-1
10. Scars Are Cool (Stan Hough/Tyler Gaffalione) 30-1
11. Endorsed (Kiaran McLaughlin/Joel Rosario) 15-1
12. Tax (Danny Gargan/Irad Ortiz Jr.) 6-1

ninetoone 08-20-2019 05:59 PM

Rosario on Endorsed....take my money.

Will back up with a Tacitus/Endorsed exacta.

casp0555 08-21-2019 11:49 AM

Has Joe Talamo ever ridden at Saratoga ??? Equibase goes back to 2017 for jockey stats at the Spa..not sure where else to look. Looks like he might have a chance on MG and I was wondering how he has fared at the Spa in the past

Kasept 08-21-2019 04:23 PM

TRAVERS DAY OVERNIGHT

Kitan 08-21-2019 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by casp0555 (Post 1130259)
Has Joe Talamo ever ridden at Saratoga ??? Equibase goes back to 2017 for jockey stats at the Spa..not sure where else to look. Looks like he might have a chance on MG and I was wondering how he has fared at the Spa in the past

Once, a 9th.

https://www.equibase.com/premium/cha...6&cy=USA&rn=11

Kasept 08-22-2019 01:36 PM






casp0555 08-22-2019 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Kitan (Post 1130268)

Thanks K....doesn't give me a lot if any confidence on Mucho Gusto unless there is a jockey change

Alabama Stakes 08-22-2019 09:03 PM

Find it hard to believe Mucho Gusto will get 10 furlongs.

jms62 08-23-2019 04:54 AM

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Originally Posted by casp0555 (Post 1130275)
Thanks K....doesn't give me a lot if any confidence on Mucho Gusto unless there is a jockey change

Baffert/Smith 7 for 9 at Spa last 3 years so let’s change to Talamo:zz:

pweizer 08-23-2019 07:37 AM

Mucho Gusto may not win Saturday (I won’t be using). But it certainly won’t be due to Joe Talamo. He is a first rate jock who has ridden in many big races. I think he can handle Saratoga.

Paul

Kasept 08-23-2019 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 1130281)
Baffert/Smith 7 for 9 at Spa last 3 years so let’s change to Talamo:zz:

There's no change. Talamo has been riding Mucho Gusto from the start. And even if he hadn't, Mike Smith wasn't available having committed to Dallas Stewart well before Baffert made the decision to send Mucho Gusto Monday.

I'll reiterate again that the Baffert uses Talamo on horses where physical strength are of paramount importance.

knickslions2 08-23-2019 08:47 AM

I like Talamo and he is having a solid meet at Delmar. Hes a good rider. Hard to ever count out Baffert horses in big races but seems like a last minute audible to run here. Looking at this race someone is going to take them a long way out front. I think Code of Honor is horse to beat.

Kasept 08-23-2019 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by knickslions2 (Post 1130285)
Hard to ever count out Baffert horses in big races but seems like a last minute audible to run here.

All during the Triple Crown season, Baffert makes audible calls and sends horses out of town (Oaklawn, Sunland) based on how they're doing at the moment.

casp0555 08-23-2019 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by casp0555 (Post 1130275)
Thanks K....doesn't give me a lot if any confidence on Mucho Gusto unless there is a jockey change

My lack of confidence is not so much in Joe's skills but his familiarity with the track. My opinion is these jocks, and NYRA has a slew of top notch riders, build a rhythm with the track. Most of the riders in the Travers have been going at it 5 days a week for over a month at the Spa. Joe has one ride at Toga in the last four years and how many races against this NYRA colony? I'm not knocking skills but track experience, and most likely I will look elsewhere but I like Mucho Gusto. Its internal at this point....

cakes44 08-24-2019 06:29 PM

Tacitus lost...weird. Hopefully he gets a better trip next time.

ateamstupid 08-24-2019 11:10 PM

That was a war, and Code of Honor a very deserving winner. It’s honestly going to be sickening if Maximum Security ducks his way to an Eclipse Award in a division of hard-trying, likable colts like we saw in the Travers.


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