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Kasept 10-12-2016 06:15 PM

BC NOTEBOOK: Distaff, Classic ~ Final Fields
 
9th (4:35) Longines Breeders' Cup Distaff (G1)

1 1/8 Miles | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $2,000,000

1 Songbird Smith M E 121 L
2 Land Over Sea Gutierrez Mario 121 L
3 Curalina Velazquez J R 124 L
4 Corona Del Inca (ARG) Falero P G 124 FTL
5 Stellar Wind Espinoza V 124 L
6 Forever Unbridled Rosario J 124 L
7 I'm a Chatterbox Geroux F 124 L
8 Beholder Stevens G L 124 L

jms62 10-12-2016 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 1079123)
Breeders' Cup Distaff, $2 million, 9f, F&M-3+

Songbird (Jerry Hollendorfer)
Beholder (Richard Mandella)
Stellar Wind (John Sadler)
Cavorting (Kiaran McLaughlin)
Curalina (Todd Pletcher) ~ F&M Sprint
I'm a Chatterbox (Larry Jones)
Forever Unbridled (Dallas Stewart)
Corona Del Inca (Guillermo Frenkel Santillan)

That is a beautiful thing. Is it the best Distaff field ever?

Kasept 10-12-2016 06:25 PM

12th (5:35) Breeders' Cup Classic (G1)

1 1/4 Miles | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $6,000,000

1 Effinex Prat F 126 L
2 Frosted Rosario J 126 L
3 Keen Ice Castellano J J 126 L
4 California Chrome Espinoza V 126 L
5 Win the Space Stevens G L 126 L
6 Melatonin Talamo J 126 L
7 War Story Spieth S 126 L
8 Shaman Ghost Ortiz I Jr 126 L
9 Hoppertunity Velazquez J R 126 L
10 Arrogate Smith M E 122 L

RolloTomasi 10-12-2016 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 1079124)
That is a beautiful thing. Is it the best Distaff field ever?

1988:
Personal Ensign: Hempstead, Shuvee, Whitney, Maskette, Beldame
Winning Colors: Santa Anita Oaks, Santa Anita Derby, Kentucky Derby
Goodbye Halo: Las Virgenes, Kentucky Oaks, Mother Goose, CCA Oaks
Hail a Cab: Spinster
Sham Say: Ruffian
Classic Crown: Gazelle
Willa On The Move: Ashland
Epitome: 1987 Eclipse Champion 2yo Filly
Integra: A Gleam, Hawthorne

RHT2004 10-12-2016 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 1079123)
Breeders' Cup Distaff, $2 million, 9f, F&M-3+

Songbird (Jerry Hollendorfer)
Beholder (Richard Mandella)
Stellar Wind (John Sadler)
Cavorting (Kiaran McLaughlin)
Curalina (Todd Pletcher) ~ F&M Sprint
I'm a Chatterbox (Larry Jones)
Forever Unbridled (Dallas Stewart)
Corona Del Inca (Guillermo Frenkel Santillan)

Huge huge fan of Corona Del Inca big shot here.

jms62 10-12-2016 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 1079127)
1988:
Personal Ensign: Hempstead, Shuvee, Whitney, Maskette, Beldame
Winning Colors: Santa Anita Oaks, Santa Anita Derby, Kentucky Derby
Goodbye Halo: Las Virgenes, Kentucky Oaks, Mother Goose, CCA Oaks
Hail a Cab: Spinster
Sham Say: Ruffian
Classic Crown: Gazelle
Willa On The Move: Ashland
Epitome: 1987 Eclipse Champion 2yo Filly
Integra: A Gleam, Hawthorne

I don't go back that far but I respect your opinion on the history based upon your prior postings here.

RolloTomasi 10-12-2016 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 1079134)
I don't go back that far but I respect your opinion on the history based upon your prior postings here.

The 1999 and 1993 runnings were strong, too. As was the 2008, though it was run on a synthetic course. Actually, the race is usually pretty strong. Last year's race ironically seemed very mediocre.

That said, if the field listed here would be the one to ultimately start, I think it would be the only time that each Distaff entrant had a Grade or Group 1 win to their credit in the same year.

cakes44 10-12-2016 08:03 PM

One of the big ones ain't gonna make it. My prediction is Songbird.

TouchOfGrey 10-13-2016 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cakes44 (Post 1079138)
One of the big ones ain't gonna make it. My prediction is Songbird.

Cavorting

Cavorting out of Breeders' Cup; likely to be retired

Three-time Grade 1 winning filly Cavorting has bruising of the cannon bones and will not run in the Breeders' Cup Distaff, trainer Kiaran McLaughlin said Thursday.

McLaughlin said he expects the filly will be retired by her owners, Stonestreet Stable.

"This might be the best filly I ever trained so it's hard to make this announcement," McLaughlin said.

Cavorting, a daughter of Bernardini, was pointing to the BC Distaff coming off wins in the Grade 1 Personal Ensign and Grade 1 Ogden Phipps. At 3, she won the Grade 1 Test.

Cavorting retires with a record of 8-1-1 from 13 lifetime starts and career earnings of $2,063,000.

RolloTomasi 10-13-2016 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TouchOfGrey (Post 1079153)

Was there an excuse given as to why she didn't start in either the Beldame or the Spinster?

Hickory Hill Hoff 10-13-2016 11:16 AM

Beholder ...... off her last two

bare it all 10-13-2016 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 1079154)
Was there an excuse given as to why she didn't start in either the Beldame or the Spinster?

My work blocks drf, so I can't see that story, but Stonestreet posted she's been diagnosed with bone bruising. Assuming that's why she wasn't running anywhere.

Kasept 10-13-2016 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cakes44 (Post 1079138)
One of the big ones ain't gonna make it. My prediction is Songbird.

She could obviously get hurt, but otherwise.. Why?

freddymo 10-13-2016 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 1079154)
Was there an excuse given as to why she didn't start in either the Beldame or the Spinster?

Career ending injury.. Has done enough...wait for it...Bone bruise.

freddymo 10-13-2016 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TouchOfGrey (Post 1079153)
Cavorting

Cavorting out of Breeders' Cup; likely to be retired

Three-time Grade 1 winning filly Cavorting has bruising of the cannon bones and will not run in the Breeders' Cup Distaff, trainer Kiaran McLaughlin said Thursday.

McLaughlin said he expects the filly will be retired by her owners, Stonestreet Stable.

"This might be the best filly I ever trained so it's hard to make this announcement," McLaughlin said.

Cavorting, a daughter of Bernardini, was pointing to the BC Distaff coming off wins in the Grade 1 Personal Ensign and Grade 1 Ogden Phipps. At 3, she won the Grade 1 Test.

Cavorting retires with a record of 8-1-1 from 13 lifetime starts and career earnings of $2,063,000.

I wonder if will get the she retired sound and always raced sound statement.

I am not a vet but I wonder if Bone Bruising or alleged bone bruising can heal with 120 days of RR? Imagine if one of the best fillies Kiaran ever trained if not the best was permitted to recoup and come back as a mare?

cakes44 10-13-2016 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 1079165)
She could obviously get hurt, but otherwise.. Why?

Just me being a pessimist and seeing too many phantom injuries in the past when the competition comes up this tough. Someone has to back out of this deal...just seems too good to be true.

Kasept 10-18-2016 12:17 PM

Jay Privman: Arrogate among Cup workers Tuesday

Arrogate, preparing for the Breeders' Cup Classic, was one of several Breeders' Cup prospects who worked at Santa Anita on Tuesday, along with By the Moon and Gloryzapper, both of whom are preparing for the Breeders' Cup Filly and Mare Sprint, and Holy Lute, whose next stop is the Breeders' Cup Turf Sprint .

Arrogate worked in company with the comebacking Mor Spirit and received a final time of 1:24.40 from Santa Anita's clockers. As usual, Rafael Bejarano was aboard for the work -- Mike Smith has the mount in the Breeders' Cup -- and Arrogate had Mor Spirit as a target. They broke off together at about the 6 1/2-furlong pole, and Mor Spirit opened up a lead of about three lengths near the half-mile pole and close to five at the top of the stretch, but then Arrogate closed with a rush to be even with Mor Spirit at the wire before galloping out one mile in 1:37.80.

Arrogate came all the way around the right way before Bejarano finally turned him around at the eighth pole, where trainer Bob Baffert had gone to talk to Bejarano after watching the work from the stands.

"Muy bueno," Bejarano said to Baffert.

"He turned around with a bounce. That's good," Baffert said.

Baffert said he has Arrogate go off at a steady pace initially in his works because "I don't want him breaking off rank.

"I want him to get something strong out of it. I work him in company because if he goes by himself he doesn't get enough out of it," Baffert said. "He's a big, long-jumping thing, isn't he? He needs a full mile and a quarter."

That, not coincidentally, is the distance over which Arrogate won the Travers, and over which he will compete in the Classic against the likes of California Chrome.

Mor Spirit, who has not raced since finishing 10th in the Kentucky Derby, was given a final time of 1:24.60. He was ridden by Martin Garcia.

taxicab 10-18-2016 07:35 PM

The last sentence of the previous post........it appears Martin Garcia is back on BB's good side.
I imagine he'll start showing up on some of his horses in the afternoon.

Kasept 10-18-2016 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by taxicab (Post 1079562)
The last sentence of the previous post........it appears Martin Garcia is back on BB's good side.
I imagine he'll start showing up on some of his horses in the afternoon.

Steve Anderson reported it Sunday:

Trainer Baffert, jockey Garcia together again after six-month break
By Steve Andersen

ARCADIA, Calif. - Trainer Bob Baffert and jockey Martin Garcia, who have teamed to win Grade 1 races such as the Breeders’ Cup Classic, Santa Anita Derby, and Los Alamitos Futurity the last two years, are working together after a break of nearly six months.

Garcia worked horses for Baffert at Santa Anita on Sunday for the first time since April. The two parted ways because of differences in the spring, after having formed a partnership in recent seasons that saw Garcia frequently work and ride Baffert’s leading runners.

Baffert said on Sunday that Garcia approached him at the end of the Del Mar summer meeting last month about helping his stable. He said his relationship with the rider “was getting a little sour” last spring.

“At the end of Del Mar, he came to talk,” Baffert said. “To me, I’ve always had the Quarter Horse thing where one guy works for me. He’s been wanting to help work horses. He’s helped me to win some big races.”

In Quarter Horse racing, jockeys are often closely allied with individual stables. Garcia, who turns 32 on Oct. 23, rode the Baffert-trained Collected to a win in the Racing Festival Stakes at Sunland Park in March, their most recent stakes win together.

In recent seasons for Baffert, Garcia won such Grade 1 races as the 2014 Los Alamitos Derby and 2015 Santa Anita Derby with Dortmund, and the 2014 BC Classic with Bayern. Baffert said that riders such as Rafael Bejarano and Stewart Elliott will continue to work horses for him as they have in recent months, but said change was needed and that Garcia will be part of the stable’s ongoing structure.

taxicab 10-18-2016 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 1079564)
Steve Anderson reported it Sunday:

Trainer Baffert, jockey Garcia together again after six-month break
By Steve Andersen

ARCADIA, Calif. - Trainer Bob Baffert and jockey Martin Garcia, who have teamed to win Grade 1 races such as the Breeders’ Cup Classic, Santa Anita Derby, and Los Alamitos Futurity the last two years, are working together after a break of nearly six months.

Garcia worked horses for Baffert at Santa Anita on Sunday for the first time since April. The two parted ways because of differences in the spring, after having formed a partnership in recent seasons that saw Garcia frequently work and ride Baffert’s leading runners.

Baffert said on Sunday that Garcia approached him at the end of the Del Mar summer meeting last month about helping his stable. He said his relationship with the rider “was getting a little sour” last spring.

“At the end of Del Mar, he came to talk,” Baffert said. “To me, I’ve always had the Quarter Horse thing where one guy works for me. He’s been wanting to help work horses. He’s helped me to win some big races.”

In Quarter Horse racing, jockeys are often closely allied with individual stables. Garcia, who turns 32 on Oct. 23, rode the Baffert-trained Collected to a win in the Racing Festival Stakes at Sunland Park in March, their most recent stakes win together.

In recent seasons for Baffert, Garcia won such Grade 1 races as the 2014 Los Alamitos Derby and 2015 Santa Anita Derby with Dortmund, and the 2014 BC Classic with Bayern. Baffert said that riders such as Rafael Bejarano and Stewart Elliott will continue to work horses for him as they have in recent months, but said change was needed and that Garcia will be part of the stable’s ongoing structure.

Thanks....
Good for Garcia,he seems to fit those Baffert horses well.

Secretriat34 10-19-2016 01:49 PM

Name that Colt ...look at the size of this un-named colts neck and shoulder...yikes






was it D Wayne who said he looked at that part of a colt to determine speed ?.....why yes, I think it was D Wayne

Secretriat34 10-19-2016 01:53 PM

Where O'Where should Frosty go ?
 
this picture just looks funny, it makes me smile...like a pets picture ...kinda reminds me of...MR ED...wwhhyllllburrr



Trainer Kiaran McLaughlin wasn't ready to confirm Oct. 19 which Breeders' Cup race Godolphin Racing's Frosted would start in. What McLaughlin did sign off on was the fact the 4-year-old son of Tapit continues to march towards either goal in good order with his latest progession being a six-furlong work in 1:11 at Greentree Training Center in Saratoga Springs, N.Y.

McLaughlin said the team will likely announce Oct. 20 if the multiple grade I winner is going in the Breeders' Cup Classic (gr. I) Nov. 5 at Santa Anita Park or the Breeders' Cup Dirt Mile (gr. I) on Nov. 4. Though he wouldn't indicate which race he was personally leaning towards, McLaughlin did reiterate his concern about the Dirt Mile being a two-turn test.

"It's just a short run to the first turn and you can get into traffic and this and that," McLaughlin said. "That's my concern, but it's not my call. We'll do whatever the boss (Sheikh Mohammed) wants to do.

McLaughlin likes the spacing coming into the Breeders' Cup more than he did Frosted's previous outing.

"He's doing great and with the 60 days (going into the Classic), you can tell his energy level is very high," McLaughlin said. "He worked great, we're very pleased with him. And I think it's a better situation than the 30 days (from the Whitney into the Woodward) that we did last time."

from BH

Kasept 10-19-2016 02:39 PM

PRIVMAN: As of Wednesday, there were 11 horses possible for the Classic..

Arrogate (Mike Smith)
California Chrome (Victor Espinoza)
Frosted (Rosario)
Gun Runner (Florent Geroux)
Effinex (TBA)
Hoppertunity (John Velazquez)
Melatonin (Joe Talamo)
Nyquist (Mario Gutierrez)
Shaman Ghost (Javier Castellano)
War Story (TBA)
Win the Space (Gary Stevens)

Secretriat34 10-19-2016 02:54 PM

lets type about Frosted.
his performance in the Met Mile was staggering.
he would probably win the BCMile...for $600,000

or

he can run 2nd for 1.5 million in the BCC
or 3rd for more than the mile win money..

do you want to be the mile champion, or the place/show horse in the classic.

he will be a part of ther superfecta in the BCC..( Chrome, and Arrogate should also be in the super)

Bcc bet super...chrome, arro, Frosty, / all.
put all in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th spots on the ticket.

cakes44 10-19-2016 08:13 PM

Frosted would be off the board in the classic. My opinion. To be honest, I'm looking forward to betting against Frosted in whatever race he goes in. That opinion makes me more potential $$ in the dirt mile if he goes there though.

RHT2004 10-19-2016 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Secretriat34 (Post 1079604)
lets type about Frosted.
his performance in the Met Mile was staggering.
he would probably win the BCMile...for $600,000

or

he can run 2nd for 1.5 million in the BCC
or 3rd for more than the mile win money..

do you want to be the mile champion, or the place/show horse in the classic.

he will be a part of ther superfecta in the BCC..( Chrome, and Arrogate should also be in the super)

Bcc bet super...chrome, arro, Frosty, / all.
put all in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th spots on the ticket.

Always good to play chalk chalk chalk all. Even when one of the 3 can't lose.

jms62 10-19-2016 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Secretriat34 (Post 1079604)
lets type about Frosted.
his performance in the Met Mile was staggering.
he would probably win the BCMile...for $600,000

or

he can run 2nd for 1.5 million in the BCC
or 3rd for more than the mile win money..

do you want to be the mile champion, or the place/show horse in the classic.

he will be a part of ther superfecta in the BCC..( Chrome, and Arrogate should also be in the super)

Bcc bet super...chrome, arro, Frosty, / all.
put all in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th spots on the ticket.

Sorry to piss on your parade but you may "Win" your bet but lose money with this ticket.

gamblin4ever 10-20-2016 06:47 AM

Nyquist should go to the Dirt Mile instead of the Classic.

Kasept 10-20-2016 09:00 AM

GRENING: Frosted confirmed for Classic; will not pre-enter Dirt Mile

As expected, multiple G1 winner Frosted will make his next start in the $6 million Breeders' Cup Classic at Santa Anita on Nov. 5, trainer Kiaran McLaughlin just confirmed.

McLaughlin said Frosted would not be pre-entered for the Dirt Mile.

"All of us talking, John Ferguson went to the boss and everybody agreed the Classic was the best option for a few reasons," McLaughlin said.

cakes44 10-20-2016 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gamblin4ever (Post 1079642)
Nyquist should go to the farm instead of the Classic.

Fixed that for you.

Thunder Gulch 10-20-2016 10:59 AM

Headed to the Classic, where most will dismiss his chances. It sure looks like he is up against it, but he has run as fast as any on occasion.

taxicab 10-20-2016 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thunder Gulch (Post 1079654)
Headed to the Classic, where most will dismiss his chances. It sure looks like he is up against it, but he has run as fast as any on occasion.

I'm kind of glad he's going in the Classic,he brings a nice resume into the race.
If he doesn't go in the Classic,then HOY will be down to Chrome.......and perhaps Songbird(if CC loses and SB wins).
If Frosted upsets in the Classic..........I think he wins HOY.
Frosted in the BCC is good for racing......

RHT2004 10-21-2016 06:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by taxicab (Post 1079679)
I'm kind of glad he's going in the Classic,he brings a nice resume into the race.
If he doesn't go in the Classic,then HOY will be down to Chrome.......and perhaps Songbird(if CC loses and SB wins).
If Frosted upsets in the Classic..........I think he wins HOY.
Frosted in the BCC is good for racing......

When Arrogate canters home, I'm pretty sure HOY is his.

Secretriat34 10-21-2016 09:10 AM

Arrogate is such a wild card.
he is a huge beast , and Baffert speaks about his long stride and how he needs all 10f...:eek:

he created quite a ruckus at Saratoga, getting the canoe painted his way
setting records that were in place for decades breaking marks even the best in the historical game have not matched.

will ARROGATE be another Zito trained,BELLAMY ROAD (winning the Wood Memorial by a record 17 1/2 lengths in stakes-record time of 1:47.16 – also equaling the 1 1/8-mile track record at Aqueduct.)

As Andy Beyer typed :
Bellamy Road could very well be in a class by himself.
Owner George Steinbrenner's colt has raced twice this year (2005), winning an allowance race at Gulfstream Park by nearly 16 lengths and the Wood Memorial Stakes by 17 1/2 , earning a stratospheric Beyer Speed Figure of 120, the best ever recorded in a prep race for the Derby. (but then again, that was the milkshake era) This one performance suggested that Bellamy Road might be another Secretariat, Affirmed or Seattle Slew.

2nd in the mid summers derby in 2005, that was all there was for Ballamy.

OR..

will Arrogate go on to better and bigger things.

I dunno ?

who does ?...:confused:

RHT2004 10-21-2016 09:29 AM

I know.
He jogs. I honestly and truly expect an improvement/move forward from the Travers. And when this happens even Chrome won't have a prayer.

gamblin4ever 10-21-2016 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RHT2004 (Post 1079686)
I know.
He jogs. I honestly and truly expect an improvement/move forward from the Travers. And when this happens even Chrome won't have a prayer.


Don't count CC out, he is a fighter and won't give up easily.

Secretriat34 10-21-2016 09:53 AM

ahhh...paradise..blow me for luck...i mean pair of dice

gamblin4ever 10-21-2016 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RHT2004 (Post 1079128)
Huge huge fan of Corona Del Inca big shot here.

What do you like about her? Her record isn't much, hasn't raced since May and except for those 2 sub 48 workouts, the workouts are not that great. I'm interested in your opinion, that's why I'm asking.

knickslions2 10-21-2016 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RHT2004 (Post 1079686)
I know.
He jogs. I honestly and truly expect an improvement/move forward from the Travers. And when this happens even Chrome won't have a prayer.

You keep saying this over and over and Chrome keeps dusting you. When Chrome beats him into the ground do you promise to stop this?

Indian Charlie 10-21-2016 12:09 PM

Arrogate, his travers is better than any race chrome has run. If he can duplicate that race, it will be next to impossible for him to get beat. It's a huge if though.


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