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Kasept 08-19-2014 04:58 AM

8/23-24 (DMR): DMR H. (G2); PacClassic (G1), O'Brien, Mile (G2's)
 
Pacific Classic

Clubhouse Ride
Footbridge
Frac Daddy
Game On Dude
Imperative
Irish Surf
Majestic Harbor
Mystery Train
Shared Belief
Sky Kingdom
Toast of New York
You Know I Know

cakes44 08-20-2014 07:52 PM

What a freakin' race the Pacific Classic should be! You don't usually get value + intrigue in the same race.

Kasept 08-21-2014 06:50 AM

Pacific Classic

1 Frac Daddy (McPeek/Garcia) 15-1
2 Irish Surf (Hendricks/Trujillo) 8-1
3 Imperative (Papaprodromou/Desormeaux) 20-1
4 Ice Cream Truck (Avila/Pereira) 30-1
5 Game On Dude (Baffert/Garcia) 3-1
6 You Know I Know (Sadler/Maldonado) 15-1
7 Majestic Harbor (McCarthy/T. Baze) 9-2
8 Toast of New York (Osbourne/Espinoza) 10-1
9 Clubhouse Ride (Lewis/Talamo) 8-1
10 Mystery Train (Vienna/Perez) 20-1
11 Shared Belief (Hollendorfer/Smith) 5-2

FATPIANO 08-22-2014 12:37 PM

can't find the pp's for this race, can anyone help?

knickslions2 08-22-2014 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by FATPIANO (Post 994533)
can't find the pp's for this race, can anyone help?

http://www.brisnet.com/php/bw_pdf_vi...param3=1369520

FATPIANO 08-22-2014 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by knickslions2 (Post 994540)

thanks

cakes44 08-23-2014 12:12 AM

Am I really gonna get 9-2 on Majestic Harbor? I think I will with the other names in there. I might be all in.

alysheba4 08-23-2014 05:35 PM

Frac daddy hurt in his stall, out of the race.

pointman 08-23-2014 08:09 PM

Trujillo's ride on Unbridled Command in the Del Mar Handicap is one for the ages. Perfectly relaxed after first turn and takes the horse out and engages in a three wide, three horse duel around second turn, then guns to the top on the backside in a 1 1 3/8 race. He honestly should lose his license for that ride, probably his driver's license too.

Unbridled Command ran remarkably well considering the anvil on his back.

knickslions2 08-24-2014 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by pointman (Post 994991)
Trujillo's ride on Unbridled Command in the Del Mar Handicap is one for the ages. Perfectly relaxed after first turn and takes the horse out and engages in a three wide, three horse duel around second turn, then guns to the top on the backside in a 1 1 3/8 race. He honestly should lose his license for that ride, probably his driver's license too.

Unbridled Command ran remarkably well considering the anvil on his back.

We'll since I bet him that's no surprise. :D

Pants II 08-24-2014 09:14 AM

You Know I Know this race will probably collapse.

:D

10 pnt move up 08-24-2014 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Pants II (Post 995019)
You Know I Know this race will probably collapse.

:D

I dont think it will....the only scenario I see that in is if Game On Dude is just running free after a half and Shared Belief has to go much earlier than he wants. I think ideally the Arg horse goes but if he does not then I am sure Smith would be fine if he was on Game on Dudes hip the whole way around till the real running starts.

It could actually have a slowish pace compared to the SA races earlier this year.

10 pnt move up 08-24-2014 11:06 AM

Goldencents looks like a lock to me. Fed Biz loves this surface but that last was a bit dressed up.

helicopter11 08-24-2014 02:15 PM

I wont be surprised if there is an inside speed bias today.

cakes44 08-24-2014 06:36 PM

Racing's newest millionaire...Handsome Mike.

29-3-3-4

10 pnt move up 08-24-2014 08:20 PM

Shared Belief is ok I suppose.

Indian Charlie 08-24-2014 08:25 PM

LOL. yeah.

I can't wait to see how PG1985 spins Shared Belief kicking Game on Dude's butt.

Probably gonna go with the "perfect trip" angle for SB while GoD had to do all the early running.

dalakhani 08-24-2014 08:36 PM

That is the best horse in the country. I don't think he beat much but the way he did it was freakish.

ateamstupid 08-24-2014 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 995203)
LOL. yeah.

I can't wait to see how PG1985 spins Shared Belief kicking Game on Dude's butt.

Probably gonna go with the "perfect trip" angle for SB while GoD had to do all the early running.

Which is a valid explanation. Shared Belief is very good, but let's not pretend that race wasn't served up to him on a silver platter.

SundayStar 08-24-2014 08:53 PM

If I wasn't a beliefer before, I'm definitely a beliefer now. That horse is a serious athlete.

RockHardTen1985 08-24-2014 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 995203)
LOL. yeah.

I can't wait to see how PG1985 spins Shared Belief kicking Game on Dude's butt.

Probably gonna go with the "perfect trip" angle for SB while GoD had to do all the early running.

Selections thread

RockHardTen1985 08-24-2014 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 995203)
LOL. yeah.

I can't wait to see how PG1985 spins Shared Belief kicking Game on Dude's butt.

Probably gonna go with the "perfect trip" angle for SB while GoD had to do all the early running.

Pretty much said exactly this plus some about 2min after the race ended. Im not taking anything away from Shared Beleif. I guess he is OK.

dalakhani 08-24-2014 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 995209)
Which is a valid explanation. Shared Belief is very good, but let's not pretend that race wasn't served up to him on a silver platter.

I don't disagree with it being gift wrapped but he won the way he should have...or maybe even better in that it was a virtual hand ride. No?

Indian Charlie 08-24-2014 09:41 PM

It was his freaking sixth lifetime start, going up against much more seasoned horses. Gift wrapped???

His first two starts this year were freaking exhibition races no less.

Game on dude had zero excuses. He opened up a big lead having it his own way, and the winner blew by him like it was nothing.

RockHardTen1985 08-24-2014 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 995215)
It was his freaking sixth lifetime start, going up against much more seasoned horses. Gift wrapped???

His first two starts this year were freaking exhibition races no less.

Game on dude had zero excuses. He opened up a big lead having it his own way, and the winner blew by him like it was nothing.

His own way?? Pace was very fast. Only 1 horse ran on and it was the winner who tripped out.

ateamstupid 08-24-2014 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 995215)
It was his freaking sixth lifetime start, going up against much more seasoned horses. Gift wrapped???

His first two starts this year were freaking exhibition races no less.

Game on dude had zero excuses. He opened up a big lead having it his own way, and the winner blew by him like it was nothing.

Saying that a horse who dueled through :22 and :45 splits going 1 1/4 miles "had zero excuses" for losing and "had it his own way" shows a pretty staggering misunderstanding of race dynamics. I'm just gonna assume it's the noise of the Shared Belief pom-poms blocking all rational thought in this case.

Indian Charlie 08-24-2014 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 995219)
Saying that a horse who dueled through :22 and :45 splits going 1 1/4 miles "had zero excuses" for losing and "had it his own way" shows a pretty staggering misunderstanding of race dynamics. I'm just gonna assume it's the noise of the Shared Belief pom-poms blocking all rational thought in this case.

It was a slight overstatement. The reality is though that God is a horse that is much better running loose and he was able to do just that. Would you have preferred that he had gone 48.4 fighting his jock?

All in all, he ended up running a pretty good race. God that is.

I doubt had the race been run any differently, that he'd have finished any closer than he did

RockHardTen1985 08-25-2014 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 995220)
It was a slight overstatement. The reality is though that God is a horse that is much better running loose and he was able to do just that. Would you have preferred that he had gone 48.4 fighting his jock?

All in all, he ended up running a pretty good race. God that is.

I doubt had the race been run any differently, that he'd have finished any closer than he did

Stop bro, just stop. So if GOD went 47.3 w/out that long shot pressing him, he doesn't draw away turning for home??
I don’t buy it.

horseofcourse 08-25-2014 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 995221)
Stop bro, just stop. So if GOD went 47.3 w/out that long shot pressing him, he doesn't draw away turning for home??
I don’t buy it.

well, no. Shared Belief was still in the race. If the long shot wasn't in the race, then Shared Belief likely sits 5 or 6 lengths closer to GOD if he goes 47.3 and GOD is not drawing away from Shared Belief because Shared Belief was actually in that race. He's a better horse right now.

dalakhani 08-25-2014 04:16 AM

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Originally Posted by horseofcourse (Post 995225)
well, no. Shared Belief was still in the race. If the long shot wasn't in the race, then Shared Belief likely sits 5 or 6 lengths closer to GOD if he goes 47.3 and GOD is not drawing away from Shared Belief because Shared Belief was actually in that race. He's a better horse right now.

It really is that simple. He's just a better horse right now. They go slower, he sits closer. Faster, he hangs back. This isn't some one pace grinder with no turn of foot. He makes his own trip.

herkhorse 08-25-2014 05:47 AM

Baffert whining like Coburn.

"Longshots are always the biggest danger to a horse like Game on Dude," Baffert said. "They always want to go after him. I hate to see that. I think he was gonna' win if they hadn't gone after him like that. It's frustrating to train a horse and get him ready for his biggest race and have a horse who has no shot to win take that chance away."

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...#ixzz3BO7s1VPv

10 pnt move up 08-25-2014 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 995209)
Which is a valid explanation. Shared Belief is very good, but let's not pretend that race wasn't served up to him on a silver platter.

If they went slower do you think he would have been closer?

The horse got a lot scarier in terms of talent by being mid pack between horses off a fast than he did in all his cake trips previously near or on the front end.

Danzig 08-25-2014 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by herkhorse (Post 995232)
Baffert whining like Coburn.

"Longshots are always the biggest danger to a horse like Game on Dude," Baffert said. "They always want to go after him. I hate to see that. I think he was gonna' win if they hadn't gone after him like that. It's frustrating to train a horse and get him ready for his biggest race and have a horse who has no shot to win take that chance away."

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...#ixzz3BO7s1VPv

horses with a particular style are prone to racing luck. front runners get brave when left alone, closers need a pace to come into and no traffic issues.
his complaints are silly. the horse may well have won had he been left alone-but it's not a valid complaint. what, they're supposed to just leave him alone and let him have his own way? ridiculous.

robfla 08-25-2014 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 995221)
Stop bro, just stop. So if GOD went 47.3 w/out that long shot pressing him, he doesn't draw away turning for home??
I don’t buy it.

sometimes horses that seem to always have "perfect trips" make their trips perfect by having both good early speed and a burst of speed when asked. IMO, Shared Belief was beating Game on Dude yesterday in any scenario. No one seems to have mentioned Shared Belief's awkward start where he brushed the gate... 2:00.small change for 1 1/4 miles on Polytrack is "racehorse" time.

pointman 08-25-2014 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by herkhorse (Post 995232)
Baffert whining like Coburn.

"Longshots are always the biggest danger to a horse like Game on Dude," Baffert said. "They always want to go after him. I hate to see that. I think he was gonna' win if they hadn't gone after him like that. It's frustrating to train a horse and get him ready for his biggest race and have a horse who has no shot to win take that chance away."

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...#ixzz3BO7s1VPv

Seriously Bob? I guess the rest of them should have just sat back and not challenged him at all so they could let him win and run for second.

NTamm1215 08-25-2014 10:18 AM

This is mostly sour grapes on his part, but did the connections of the Argentinian horse really think they were going to stalk Game on Dude through insane fractions and be successful? Mystery Train was beaten by almost 50 lengths in the end.

This is one of the perils of having a one-dimensional horse, and in this case Baffert is pissed because someone essentially entered a rabbit. He can call Nick Zito and ask him how it feels to have a speed horse have to face two rabbits.

asudevil 08-25-2014 10:19 AM

Dude's had a great run. 6.5M Gave the owners lots of thrills. BC Classic was the blemish.

Indian Charlie 08-25-2014 10:27 AM

I actually thought GoD ran a huge race. I don't think he's done at all.

Shared Belief is just better.

alysheba4 08-25-2014 11:19 AM

that horse is a freak.

Pants II 08-25-2014 11:20 AM

Shared Belief to the Goodwood (D'awesome Again)?


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