The biggest Breeders Cup question mark
 

Point of Entry in the Turf.

I'm befuddled in regard to what to do with him.

No matter what, he has to be an underlay, right?

Paul

While I've been a big fan of his, I'm going against him here. Its a lot to ask off such a long layoff and injury.

How about Secret Circle? I guess he's easier to toss off for so long, but he ran a time nearly fast enough to win this at Santa Anita as a 2yo, then fires big off the layoff. At the start of his career he broke his maiden first out, then validated with two more improving figures (101-106-110 Timeform). He's close off last, and any improvement makes him as fast as any here.

In Shug we Trust. .........

How can he realistically be expected to beat The Fugue?

Point of Entry is currently between 7-2 and 9-2 on UK books, but pools are surely quite small. Still,POE has been the biggest mover in last day, going from a best priced 6-1 into 9-2 best price.

As for The Fugue, she might be very good, but has absolutely positively had beyond perfect trips in her two most recent wins. If she gets over the top in the BC, I think she needs an outer draw to remain free and clear, which is what has happened in her last two.

Is a mile and a half too far for Real Solution?

On his form, as if the injury/setback never happened, I'd be certain he'd beat The Fugue.

That's not living in the real world, though.

I know the Europeans at Timeform like The Fugue in the Turf, I don't know though. Hard to imagine the same The Fugue we saw last year has improved to the point where she's worth betting to win the BC Turf.

Would they run POE here if they did not feel he was as good as ever??

Thank you, Joey. That solves it.

dammittohell

love point of entry. but i think all things considered you'd be better off putting your money elsewhere. the layoff, the injury aren't necessarily crushers. rht...welll, it's just one thing too many.

I'm sure POE is medically fine for the race. We know Shug wouldn't run him otherwise. That doesn't mean he'll be in peak form/condition either. I think the reality is that his connections realize this is likely his last chance to win a BC race and possible Eclipse title so they are taking a shot knowing he's physically fine to race.

He's the man. :)

I love The Fugue... huge fan, she's a terrific horse BUT even though a horse like Grandeur is a bit of a question mark here I can't discount him. It's dangerous to dismiss the other Euros too quickly.

In my heart of hearts I think LIttle Mike repeats and that, no matter how good she is, she is no single.

If it was anyone but Shug and company, I think the odds might offset some of the obvious negatives. But given that it is Shug and company, I can't help but think he's ultimately an underlay come post time. I'll fade him, maybe a minor use defensively in multi's.

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I'll use him defensively as well if at all... Probably a little.

I have not heard good things about POE.

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Heading out the the Highway...

Judas Priest :tro:

Have a related question/comment...

What's your guess as to the highest paying Pick 3 sequence of the BC?

I'd guess FM Sprint / Turf Sprint / Juvenile

Any that involves the Marathon.

Either of the P3 sequences of BC races Friday. Marathon- Juv Trf- Dirt mile or Juv Turf- Dirt Mile- Juv Fillies Turf. That second sequence has a true chalk and 20 something 2yo's lasix off-Brutal

I know Point of Entry and Orb are in different stratospheres, but since Shug trains them both-

Shug wasn't really able to oversee a lot of Orb's works and preparations leading to his return in the Travers. But everyone said he was working great. In the Travers the rail opened like a door, Orb shot through it, and flattened. Now is that because Orb really wasn't as fit as advertised and needed a race, or because he just wasn't good enough?

I'm just saying I've heard the speech from plenty of very good trainers, including Shug that say their horses are working like demons. But in races of this caliber you gotta be in peak shape/form. I'm not trying to muddy up your guys' thoughts, but does PoE need a race?

I think the last three races of the w/e Sprint/Mile/Classic as Wise Dan and Game On will be grossly over bet and are not cinches and with the Sprint wide open the potential payoff is there. Of course I'm probably all alone with this view.

Court Vision over Goldikova should be enough for anyone to think any segment has the potential to blow up.

Took a long time to realize the best horse in the race isn't necessarily the best bet. That said, figuring how to play Saturday vertically or horizontally is maddening. :confused:

Will Groupie Doll ever return to last years brilliance? I'm betting that she does not, and will work around her in the surrounding pick 3's.

If Closed Hatches runs any kind of race Friday in the Distaff, Sweet Lulu is for sure in play for me.

Mentioning that race severely increases my systolic over diastolic....

lol that blew up my pick 4...no way I would have had court vision on my ticket...no freaking way...i did have Dakota phone the year before by some all button miracle

goldikova was REALLY good though

I had the all button there... live for I think 56k to HDG... which died in the classic with that bum Drosselmeyer. My systolic over diastolic was off the charts. :o

I had other 3 legs....and Tulallure. Would have been my biggest score by far!

Group Hug. Court freaking Vision, who I had pegged -good or bad- in every race for 3 years until that one. Tossed without a second glance, but even a long look couldn't have put me there.

Very wrong!!!