SAT 11/3 (SA): Breeders' Cup (Fields Post-Draw; Odds)
 

Breeders' Cup Juvenile Turf (G1)

1. Summit County (Romans/Nakatani) 30-1
2. Artigiano (Al Zarooni/Dettori) 8-1
3. George Vancouver (O'Brien/Moore) 8-1
4. Gervinho (Gaines/Bejarano) 15-1
5. Fantastic Moon-GB (Noseda/Fallon) 12-1
6. Dundonnell (Charlton/Doyle) 4-1
7. Brown Almighty (Ice/Desormeaux) 20-1
8. Balance the Books (Brown/Leparoux) 8-1
9. Noble Tune (Brown/R. Dominguez) 6-1
10. Joha (Maker/Castallano) 6-1
11. Dry Summer (Mullins/Talamo) 10-1
12. I'm Boundtoscore (Rankin/Rook) 20-1
13. Know More (O'Neill/Gomez) 8-1
14. Lines of Battle (O'Brien/R. Hughes) 12-1
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15. (AE) Rising Legend (Hannon/Rosario) 20-1



Breeders' Cup Filly and Mare Sprint (G1)

1. Teddy's Promise (Ellis/Talamo) 20-1
2. Belle of the Hall (Dollase/Ortiz Jr.) 20-1
3. Dust and Diamonds (Asmussen/Leparoux) 9-2
4. Strike the Moon (Trombetta/Lezcano) 30-1
5. Rumor (Mandella/Smith) 20-1
6. Turbulent Descent (Pletcher/JV) 5-1
7. Great Hot-BRZ (Avila/Maldonado) 30-1
8. Musical Romance (Kaplan/Levva) 2011 Winner 4-1
9. Groupie Doll (Bradley/Margh) 1-1
10. Switch (Sadler/Gomez) 12-1



Breeders' Cup Dirt Mile (G1)

1. Rail Trip (Ellis/Valdivia) 10-1
2. Delegation (Casse/Husbands) 12-1
3. Jersey Town (Tagg/Castallano) 4-1
4. John Scott (Gaines/Espiniza) 12-1
5. Fed Biz (Baffert/Talamo) 6-1
6. Shackleford (Romans/R. Dominguez) 2-1
7. Emcee (KMc/Garcia) 5-2
8. Tapizar (Asmussen/Nakatani) 12-1
9. Second City (Cecil/Gutierrez) 30-1



Breeders' Cup Turf Sprint (G1)

1. California Flag (Koriner/Talamo) 6-1
2. Camp Victory (Mitchell/Leparoux) 10-1
3. Great Mills (Asmussen/Bejarano) 20-1
4. Tale of a Champion (Mulhall/T. Baze) 30-1
5. Next Question (Trombetta/Ramon) 10-1
6. Upgrade (Nihei/Maragh) 30-1
7. Reneesgotzip (Miller/Gomez) 8-1
8. Great Attack (Ward/Rosario) 10-1
9. Bridgetown (Pletcher/JV) 9-2
10. Corporate Jungle (Brown/Castallano) 6-1
11. Mizdirection (Puype/M. Smith) 20-1
12. Chosen Miracle (Hollendorfer/M. Garcia) 15-1
13. Unbridled's Note (Asmussen/Nakatani) 5-1
14. Starspangledbanner (O'Brien/J. O'Brien) 10-1
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15. Global Power (Amoss/PVal) 30-1
16. Starspangled Heat (Abrams/No Boy) 30-1



Breeders' Cup Juvenile (G1)

1. Title Contender (Baffert/M. Garcia) 6-1
2. Speak Logistics (Plesa/Serpa) 8-1
3. He's Had Enough (O'Neill/M. Gutierrez) 20-1
4. Shanghai Bobby (Pletcher/Napravnik) 2-1
5. Monument (Sadler/Talamo) 12-1
6. Dynamic Sky (Casse/L. Contreras) 12-1
7. Capo Bastone (Sadler/Rosario) 15-1
8. Fortify (KMc/R. Dominguez) 9-2
9. Power Broker (Baffert/Bejarano) 5-2



Breeders' Cup Turf (G1)

1. Point of Entry (McGaughey/JV) 3-1
2. Turbo Compressor (Pletcher/Bravo) 15-1
3. St Nicholas Abbey (O'Brien/J. O'Brien) 2011 Winner 7-2
4. Treasure Beach (O'Brien/Spencer) 12-1
5. Shareta (Royer-Dupre/Lemaire) 7-2
6. Cogito (O'Neill/Dettori) 30-1
7. Little Mike (Romans/R. Dominguez) 12-1
8. Kindergarten Kid (Miller/Leparoux) 30-1
9. Dullahan (Romans/Rosario) 12-1
10. Optimizer (Lukas/J. Court) 20-1
11. Slim Shadey-GB (Callahan/Gomez) 10-1
12. Trailblazer (Ikee/Take) 6-1



XpressBet Breeders' Cup Sprint (G1)

1. Sum of the Parts (Amoss/Leparoux) 20-1
2. Jimmy Creed (Mandella/Gomez) 10-1
3. Gantry (Faucheux/Castallano) 6-1
4. Coil (Baffert/M. Garcia) 5-1
5. Justin Phillip (Asmussen/Bejarano) 20-1
6. Fast Bullet (Baffert/Talamo) 12-1
7. The Lumber Guy (Hushion/JV) 6-1
8. Capital Account (Baffert/Flores) 8-1
9. Trinniberg (Parboo/W. Martinez) 15-1
10. Smiling Tiger (Bonde/R. Dominguez) 12-1
11. Amazombie (Spawr/Smith) 2011 Winner 4-1
12. Hamazing Destiny (Lukas/Rosario) 12-1
13. Poseidon's Warrior (Reid/Ortiz Jr. ) 15-1
14. Boxeur des Rues (O'Neill/M. Gutierrez) 30-1



Breeders' Cup Mile (G1)

1. Mr. Commons (Shirreffs/Blanc) 12-1
2. Wise Dan (Lopresti/JV) 9-5
3. Obviously-IRE (Mitchell/Talamo) 6-1
4. Jeranimo (Pender/Gomez) 15-1
5. Animal Kingdom (Motion/Bejarano) 8-1
6. Excelebration (O'Brien/J. O'Brien) 2-1
7. Willcox Inn (Block/J. Graham) 30-1
8. Suggestive Boy-ARG (McAnally/M. Smith) 15-1
9. Moonlight Cloud-GB (Head/Jarnet) 6-1



Breeders' Cup Classic (G1)

1. Pool Play (Casse/Mena) 30-1
2. Flat Out (Mott/Rosario) 5-1
3. Alpha (KMc/R. Dominguez) 20-1
4. Fort Larned (Wilkes/B. Hernandez Jr.) 5-1
5. Game On Dude (Baffert/Bejarano) 9-5
6. Brilliant Speed (Albertrani/Alvarado) 20-1
7. Handsome Mike (O'Neill/M. Gutierrez) 30-1
8. Nonios (Hollendorfer/M. Pedroza) 20-1
9. Richard's Kid (O'Neill/Gomez) 12-1
10. Ron the Greek (Mott/Lezcano) 6-1
11. Mucho Macho Man (Ritvo/M. Smith) 8-1
12. To Honor and Serve (Mott/JV) 8-1

Ortensia is 100% out for Turf Sprint

I think Capital Account should be better in the Dirt Mile than the sprint

Hope it's okay to post a couple of random things...

Gatewood was sent to Australia, presumably for the Melbourne Cup... he's entered on Saturday (G2 Herbert Power Stakes).

I thought Nahrain was definite (as per Roger Varian) (?).

Bated Breath (Turf Sprint) is retired.

This thread is worthless without a RH10 reply. Shut it down right now.

More quotes about the 1,000 tons of sand added to the SA main. Worth noting and tracking..

http://www.drf.com/news/breeders-cup...um-parts-field

Spawr, as have many other trainers based at Santa Anita, voiced his concern about the racetrack being much slower than usual this fall. Bob Baffert, whose Coil and Capital Account finished on-two in the Sprint Championship, kept Coil at home for the Sprint Championship to get him a start over the track prior to Breeders’ Cup Day rather than sending him to New York to run the previous weekend in either the Vosburgh or Kelso.

“The times were really slow on Saturday,” Spawr said.

The final time of the Sprint Championship was 1:09.88 and Spawr said a race like that usually would be run around 1:08. “If the racetrack stays this way it will be a concern for us, although my feeling is by Breeders’ Cup Day it won’t be,” he said. “If we get a couple of rains, it should tighten things up.”

What is the feeling of this group, how should we view this as it relates to preps? Should we view preps over the SA track as taking a lot out of the runners and that they might have trouble bouncing back or should we consider them fitter because they have raced and/or worked over the track?

Baffert generally makes pretty good choices around these sorts of things so I guess I'm going to give an edge to runners who have either shipped early to race or train or who call California home.

Of course the meet just started but there have been 47 races on the main track with 422 starters; 338 of them made their last start at either DMR, FPX or HOL. Of those starters 45 (12.4%) won, which is consistent with the percentage of starters. The other two winners came from GG and SAR (Love and Pride in the Zenyetta Grade 1 Stakes). Again for the same time period 217 starters had the most recent workout over the track and once again the results were consistent with expectations (27 won, 27 places and 27 showed; 12% each). We need to keep an eye on this for the next two weeks as runners ship in but right now it is not showing to be a big factor.

Updated.. BOLD indicates confirmed/probable..

Why wouldn't Emcee go in the Sprint? Why is CC's Pal going at all?

If Shareta does come for the turf, a massive threat. She gets over firm going so much better than ground with give.

And Leatherbury is still seeking "angels" for Ben's Cat? They've earned over $1.2 million on the horse, either bet on him by supplementing and hope he finishes third or better or don't go.

Emcee is actually a Sprint candidate..

What's the view on how much running over that very soft Arc course took out of all of them including Shereta?

Any word on a Godsen horse named Gatewood coming over for the Turf? He ran third 3/4 of a length to Dandino who was the only closer into that slow oace Canadian International on Sunday?

Haven't seen a confirm on Gatewood, other than the name being mentioned.

For the bolding that Brown Panther has above, trainer Tom Dascombe just stated that he is skipping BCS day at Ascot and going to a race at Longchamp on October 28. That would presumably take him out of the Breeders Cup entirely.

I've also been told that Chinchon is supplementing to run on Saturday at Longchamp and the BC Turf is still a go for the 2010 UN winner, and the 2012 Singapore Airlines International Cup victor.

Gordon Lord Byron-IRE (Hogan) to Hong Kong instead of Cup..

SHould put this on the first post for us idiots who don't read LOL

‏@DRFGrening: [i]It's Tricky retired with injury to her right hind ankle, according to trainer Kiaran McLaughlin.

@ZayatStables: Will be pre entering 3 horses in the BC. Justin Phillip & Fast Bullet in the Sprint. Jaycito in the Marathon.

@Steve_Byk: @JuddmonteFarms' Garrett O'Rourke says SEA MOON will not run in #BC12 Turf..

Hunters Bay
 

Hunters Bay not going according to drf.

http://www.drf.com/news/breeders-cup...be-freshenedrs

Papaw Bodie is hurt.

Royal Delta cross entered in THE CLASSIC................:{>:

What is the rationale for Brilliant Speed going in the Classic?

Final career start and already has established his modest turf credentials. More upside in taking a shot that you do something good in the biggest Classic Distance race on dirt. If he doesn't run well, it doesn't diminish what he was beforehand and if he pulls a Drosselmeyer/Giant's Causeway effort out of his azz you've hit a home run as he starts his stallion career.

Makes sense. Just making sure I'm not missing something. Thanks,

He'd be a surprise of pretty significant proportions, but you have to appreciate the sporting mentality and wish it carried over into all horsemen the rest of the year too.

Makes sense....
2 things though. His Belmont was not very good, against not very good horses.
Did you just compare the best stallion in the world to Drosselmeyer?

So you want horseman to run overmatched horses in impossible spots all year long not just the Breeders Cup?

Is it really "sporting" to try to throw a hail mary in an attempt to dress up your potential stallions weak resume? Seems like more of a typical modern day money grab regardless of how futile it most likely will be.

I dont think winning the Classic after having modest at best credentials makes you a viable stallion prospect for any serious money. See Cat Thief, Volponi, ect.

Giant's Causeway was a European Horse of the Year with a sensational American pedigree (Storm Cat-Mariah's Storm) and he ran a monster race in the BC Classic. In fact, he ran a monster race pretty much everytime he started in his entire career.

Drosselmeyer was never a turf horse.

Volponi was a horse campaigned a lot on turf.

This topic came up the other day and Haskin talked extensively about Volponi. Johnson tinkered a lot with him with blinkers and would run him in spates on turf. Steve noted that every time Johnson would take blinkers off, Volponi would respond with a huge effort. He came back as a 5yo so he certainly didn't have had a stud deal in place before the Classic.

Drosselmeyer wasn't a grass horse but started his career on turf and ran in the Sword Dancer that summer. Weren't Mott & WinStar considering the Marathon for him before going in the Classic? He had that stallion deal in place to come to New York before the big win. When it comes to Brilliant Speed, Jerry Brown has said unendingly that he should have been run more on the dirt.

The Euro star on dirt in the Classic always interesting. Sahkee. Giant's Causeway. Swain. Chester House. Raven's Pass.

You're overstating what I meant. I was speaking in more general terms about horsemen cherry picking spots, avoiding big match-ups, finding soft overnight stakes etc.

Worth noting that most people thought Cat Thief and Volponi were also overmatched and impossible too (not a Brilliant Speed endorsement). And yes, a BC Classic win doesn't seem to boost stallion value as much as one might think going in.

The best way to eliminate the cherry picking is to eliminate a lot of the stakes. There are just too many stakes races considering the overall number of races has been going down for years yet the number of stakes keeps increasing. The overnight stakes should either be restricted (no good for blacktype) or be handicaps. Everyone cried about handicaps and how they were chasing all the good horses into retirement yet once we elimintated the majority of them the trend is as bad as ever. Of course my usual rant about horses being distributed more evenly would help.

Cat Thief won the Swaps and was 2nd in the Haskell, Fountain of youth, Bluegrass (on dirt), was 3rd in KY Derby, FL Derby and KY Cup Classic (on dirt). He was far, far more qualified than Brilliant Speed who wouldnt be favored in a 3x allowance race on the dirt. Volponi did run 2nd in the Meadowlands Cup which was a grade 2, $400k race prior to the Classic.

Why Brilliant Speed was never tried on synthetics again after his Bluegrass win (over pretty pathetic field) is puzzling considering this pretty hopeless shot at the Classic.

The Classic is the only race that is going to be on network TV?

NBC proper, yeah. Rest on the 'NBC Family of Networks'... :)

Breeders' Cup Juvenile Turf (G1)

1. Artigiano (Al Zarooni)
2. Balance the Books (Brown)
3. Brown Almighty (Ice)
4. Dry Summer (Mullins)
5. Dundonnell (Charlton)
6. Fantastic Moon-GB (Noseda)
7. George Vancouver (O'Brien)
8. Gervinho (Gaines)
9. I'm Boundtoscore (Rankin)
10. Know More (O'Neill) ** Juvenile (2)
11. Joha (Maker)
12. Lines of Battle (O'Brien)
13. Noble Tune (Brown)
14. Summit County (Romans)
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Snow King (Gosden)
He's Had Enough (O'Neill) ** Juvenile (1)
Gabriel Charles (Mullins)
Rising Legend (Hannon)
Under Review (Catalano)



Breeders' Cup Filly and Mare Sprint (G1)

1. Belle of the Hall (Dollase)
2. Class Included (Penney) ** Distaff (2)
3. Contested (Baffert)
4. Dust and Diamonds (Asmussen)
5. Great Hot-BRZ (Avila)
6. Groupie Doll (Bradley)
7. Musical Romance (Kaplan) 2011 Winner
8. Reneesgotzip (Miller) ** Turf Sprint (1)
9. Rumor (Mandella)
10. Switch (Sadler)
11. Self Preservation (Cecil)
12. Strike the Moon (Trombetta)
13. Teddy's Promise (Ellis)
14. Turbulent Descent (Pletcher)



Breeders' Cup Dirt Mile (G1)

1. Delegation (Casse)
Emcee (KMc) ** Sprint (1)
2. Fed Biz (Baffert)
Handsome Mike (O'Neill) ** Classic (1)
3. Jersey Town (Tagg)
Jimmy Creed (Mandella) ** Sprint (1)
4. John Scott (Gaines)
5. Kettle Corn (Sadler)
6. Nonios (Hollendorfer) ** Classic (2)
7. Rail Trip (Ellis)
Second City (Cecil) ** Sprint (1)
8. Shackleford (Romans)
9. Tapizar (Asmussen)



Breeders' Cup Turf Sprint (G1)

1. Bridgetown (Pletcher)
2. Camp Victory (Mitchell)
3. California Flag (Koriner)
4. Chosen Miracle (Hollendorfer)
5. Corporate Jungle (Brown)
6. Great Attack (Ward)
7. Great Mills (Asmussen)
8. Mizdirection (Puype)
9. Next Question (Trombetta)
10. Reneesgotzip (Miller) ** F&M Sprint (2)
11. Starspangledbanner (O'Brien)
12. Tale of a Champion (Mulhall)
13. Unbridled's Note (Asmussen)
14. Upgrade (Nihei)
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Global Power (Amoss)
Boxeur des Rues (O'Neill) ** Sprint (2)
Starspangled Heat (Abrams)'



Breeders' Cup Juvenile (G1)

1. Capo Bastone (Sadler)
2. Dynamic Sky (Casse)
3. Fortify (KMc)
4. He's Had Enough (O'Neill) ** Juvenile Turf (2)
Know More (O'Neill) ** Juvenile Turf (1)
5. Monument (Sadler)
6. Power Broker (Baffert)
7. Shanghai Bobby (Pletcher)
8. Speak Logistics (Plesa)
9. Title Contender (Baffert)



Breeders' Cup Turf (G1)

1. Bourbon Bay (Drysdale)
2. Cogito (O'Neill)
Dullahan (Romans) ** Classic (1)
3. Kindergarten Kid (Miller)
Little Mike (Romans) ** Mile (1)
4. Optimizer (Lukas)
5. Point of Entry (McGaughey)
6. Shareta (Royer-Dupre)
7. Slim Shadey-GB (Callahan)
8. St Nicholas Abbey (O'Brien) 2011 Winner
9. The Fugue (Gosden)
10. Trailblazer (Ikee) ** Mile (2)
11. Treasure Beach (O'Brien)
12. Turbo Compressor (Pletcher) ** Mile (2)



Breeders' Cup Sprint (G1)

1. Amazombie (Spawr) 2011 Winner
2. Capital Account (Baffert)
3. Coil (Baffert)
4. Emcee (KMc) ** Dirt Mile (2)
5. Gantry (Faucheux)
6. Hamazing Destiny (Lukas)
7. Jimmy Creed (Mandella) ** Dirt Mile (2)
8. Justin Phillip (Asmussen)
9. Poseidon's Warrior (Reid)
10. Second City (Cecil) ** Dirt Mile (2)
11. Smiling Tiger (Bonde)
12. Sum of the Parts (Amoss)
13. The Lumber Guy (Hushion)
14. Trinniberg (Parboo)
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Fast Bullet (Baffert)
Boxeur des Rues (O'Neill) ** Turf Sprint (1)



Breeders' Cup Mile (G1)

1. Animal Kingdom (Motion)
2. Doubles Partner (Pletcher)
3. Excelebration (O'Brien)
4. Jeranimo (Pender)
5. Little Mike (Romans) ** Turf (2)
6. Moonlight Cloud-GB (Head)
7. Mr. Commons (Shirreffs)
8. Obviously-IRE (Mitchell)
9. Suggestive Boy-ARG (McAnally)
10. Willcox Inn (Block)
11. Wise Dan (Lopresti)
Trailblazer (Ikee) ** Turf (1)
Turbo Compressor (Pletcher) ** Turf (1)



Breeders' Cup Classic (G1)

1. Alpha (KMc)
2. Brilliant Speed (Albertrani)
3. Dullahan (Romans) ** Turf (2)
4. Flat Out (Mott)
5. Fort Larned (Wilkes)
6. Game On Dude (Baffert)
7. Handsome Mike (O'Neill) ** Dirt Mile (2)
8. Mucho Macho Man (Ritvo)
Nonios (Hollendorfer) ** Dirt Mile (1)
9. Pool Play (Casse)
10. Richard's Kid (Baffert)
11. Ron the Greek (Mott)
Royal Delta (Mott) ** Distaff (1)
12. To Honor and Serve (Mott)

I know this is redundant but...

****ing idiots run this sport...

Does anyone know why Neck n Neck isn't being pointed to the dirt mile? Is something amiss with him? If not, it seems to me like he would fit well with that group.

He worked Tuesday, so I think he's fine health wise. If I had to guess, they probably are aiming for the Clark.

When Ian Wilkes was interviewed on the feed after the Indiana Derby he called the win " his BC. " I suppose, however, he could go to the Clark. If he's working maybe he isn't done for the year.

Running in the Ack Ack..