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Calzone Lord 11-08-2011 10:22 AM

Penn State
 
:eek::eek::eek:

dagolfer33 11-08-2011 02:05 PM

Nice knowing you Joe Pa. Oh by the way, when you leave take the university president, athletic director, and the finance VP with you. Diosceces everywhere are rejoicing because the spotlight isn't on them anymore. This is unforgivable if all is true.

Calzone Lord 11-08-2011 02:10 PM

Come on. Joe Pa's going nowhere.

They're undefeated in the Big 10 and have a 2-game lead right now.

An appearence in the inaugural confrence championship game is hanging in the balance! They can almost taste it.

clyde 11-08-2011 02:14 PM

4 reasons they won't:


1....Nebraska

2....Ohio State

3....Wisconsin

4....WrongTurno

dagolfer33 11-08-2011 02:18 PM

Does that mean I need to cancel my cub scouts troop visit to the athletic dept. up there at Happy Valley?

Calzone Lord 11-08-2011 02:49 PM

They probably should have just posted signs prohibiting the anal rape of young boys in the shower. I'm sure Coach Sandusky is very embarassed by this regrettable misunderstanding. How in the world was he to know?

We really need to consider the needs of the victim here, Penn State football, and ask that you respect their privacy in this difficult time. Let's certainly not distract them as they are flirting with a Big 10 championship game appearance right now.

somerfrost 11-08-2011 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 816249)
They probably should have just posted signs prohibiting the anal rape of young boys in the shower. I'm sure Coach Sandusky is very embarassed by this regrettable misunderstanding. How in the world was he to know?

We really need to consider the needs of the victim here, Penn State football, and ask that you respect their privacy in this difficult time. Let's certainly not distract them as they are flirting with a Big 10 championship game appearance right now.

Sad, sad, sad...when will folks in position of power realize that under the law, they are not exempt from moral behavior? I will not immediately call for Paterno's head, need to see the facts come out...what did he know, what did he do etc. but I doubt my opinion counts for anything, the lynch mob is forming and Joe's head will fall...hopefully the University President and other bigwigs will likewise be held accountable. It's a sad end for Joe but that pales in comparison to the damage done to the victims...what a world!

jms62 11-08-2011 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by somerfrost (Post 816252)
Sad, sad, sad...when will folks in position of power realize that under the law, they are not exempt from moral behavior? I will not immediately call for Paterno's head, need to see the facts come out...what did he know, what did he do etc. but I doubt my opinion counts for anything, the lynch mob is forming and Joe's head will fall...hopefully the University President and other bigwigs will likewise be held accountable. It's a sad end for Joe but that pales in comparison to the damage done to the victims...what a world!

Here are the facts.

http://cbschicago.files.wordpress.co...resentment.pdf

somerfrost 11-08-2011 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 816261)

I have read the report before, while it details the perversion, it is light on Paterno's actions...I agree he has questions to answer but I stop short of demanding his head as he did report the incident to both the AD and the man charged with running campus police (whom I suspect would have immediate jurisdiction)...there was obviously a coverup, who all it involved is as of yet undetermined. A sad state of affairs to be sure!

RockHardTen1985 11-08-2011 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dagolfer33 (Post 816239)
Nice knowing you Joe Pa. Oh by the way, when you leave take the university president, athletic director, and the finance VP with you. Diosceces everywhere are rejoicing because the spotlight isn't on them anymore. This is unforgivable if all is true.

If true? Its 100% true and Joe Pa knew a lot more about it then we are being told right now. Joe Paterno needs to be fired along with EVERYONE ELSE, just like you said.

Seattleallstar 11-08-2011 03:52 PM

Joe Pa why didnt you do more? Its regrettable that he leaves Penn State like this, but like Somer said it pales in comparison to what victims had to go through.

Antitrust32 11-08-2011 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost (Post 816274)
I have read the report before, while it details the perversion, it is light on Paterno's actions...I agree he has questions to answer but I stop short of demanding his head as he did report the incident to both the AD and the man charged with running campus police (whom I suspect would have immediate jurisdiction)...there was obviously a coverup, who all it involved is as of yet undetermined. A sad state of affairs to be sure!

i havent heard many people calling for Joe's head criminally... just that he needs to resign or be kicked out of coaching PSU.

Do you really think reporting this incident and then wiping your hands of it is enough? Morally?

Listen, even if he did everything correct (which I dont think he did, morally) he needs to step down just because he's associated with all this and how horrible of a crime this was that occured in HIS program. He shouldnt even be coaching this upcoming saturday.

clyde 11-08-2011 03:54 PM

Oh just shoot him.

RockHardTen1985 11-08-2011 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 816277)
i havent heard many people calling for Joe's head criminally... just that he needs to resign or be kicked out of coaching PSU.

Do you really think reporting this incident and then wiping your hands of it is enough? Morally?

Listen, even if he did everything correct (which I dont think he did, morally) he needs to step down just because he's associated with all this and how horrible of a crime this was that occured in HIS program. He shouldnt even be coaching this upcoming saturday.


He is a criminal if what they are talking about on ESPN radio today is even 50% true. A former employee saw this scumbag with a 10yr old boy naked in the shower, doing whatever to him. Reported it to Joe Pa and after weeks went by and Joe Pa did nothing the guy who witnessed it quits.

somerfrost 11-08-2011 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 816280)
He is a criminal if what they are talking about on ESPN radio today is even 50% true. A former employee saw this scumbag with a 10yr old boy naked in the shower, doing whatever to him. Reported it to Joe Pa and after weeks went by and Joe Pa did nothing the guy who witnessed it quits.

This is news to me and contrary to the grand jury report. If this the case then of course Joe would be guilty of coverup which the state Attorney General and others have said he is not????

horseofcourse 11-08-2011 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 816277)
i havent heard many people calling for Joe's head criminally... just that he needs to resign or be kicked out of coaching PSU.

Do you really think reporting this incident and then wiping your hands of it is enough? Morally?

Listen, even if he did everything correct (which I dont think he did, morally) he needs to step down just because he's associated with all this and how horrible of a crime this was that occured in HIS program. He shouldnt even be coaching this upcoming saturday.

Yes...the AD and the other guy who lied to the grand jury are gone. Graham Spanier (president), Paterno and MIke McQueary are the 3 remaining at minimum who need to go. McQueary is the assistant (former qb) who saw Sandusky raping the child in the shower. He actually saw it (read the grand jury report). No one is calling him out but it starts with him. He is the witness who saw a man raping a child and did not call police. A 28 year old man who saw a major crime being committed and he simply ran to Paterno the next day and told him after talking to his Dad. Paterno told Curley, the AD, and evidently he is the token fall guy here. Spanier, the university president decided simply keeping Sandusky from raping on campus was sufficient response. Sandusky was revered there and most felt him more responsible for the great teams than Joe, and I don't think pedophiles generally advertise the fact that they are what they are. His 2nd mile program was lauded nationally. I honestly don't think people really knew until the late 90s. But they did by then. Paterno did too even before the shower incident McQueary saw. They all need to go though...right now.

NTamm1215 11-08-2011 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by horseofcourse (Post 816341)
Yes...the AD and the other guy who lied to the grand jury are gone. Graham Spanier (president), Paterno and MIke McQueary are the 3 remaining at minimum who need to go. McQueary is the assistant (former qb) who saw Sandusky raping the child in the shower. He actually saw it (read the grand jury report). No one is calling him out but it starts with him. He is the witness who saw a man raping a child and did not call police. A 28 year old man who saw a major crime being committed and he simply ran to Paterno the next day and told him after talking to his Dad. Paterno told Curley, the AD, and evidently he is the token fall guy here. Spanier, the university president decided simply keeping Sandusky from raping on campus was sufficient response. Sandusky was revered there and most felt him more responsible for the great teams than Joe, and I don't think pedophiles generally advertise the fact that they are what they are. His 2nd mile program was lauded nationally. I honestly don't think people really knew until the late 90s. But they did by then. Paterno did too even before the shower incident McQueary saw. They all need to go though...right now.

Curley is not the "token fall guy", he's the POS that covered it up and is now lying about it. It's difficult assessing who deserves what blame and much easier to just say they all f.ucked up and all need to be out immediately and answer to the authorities.

RockHardTen1985 11-08-2011 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by somerfrost (Post 816333)
This is news to me and contrary to the grand jury report. If this the case then of course Joe would be guilty of coverup which the state Attorney General and others have said he is not????

ESPN radio today. A lot of people are saying Joe Pa turned his head to some very serious things. I dont really understand how he has not been fired yet.

clyde 11-08-2011 08:12 PM

I hope Rich Rodriguez is the new coach.

somerfrost 11-08-2011 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 816354)
ESPN radio today. A lot of people are saying Joe Pa turned his head to some very serious things. I dont really understand how he has not been fired yet.

So you are posting gossip, not facts. A lot of people are saying a lot of things. The grand jury report (link posted earlier in a thread here) has the facts as known so far and there is no indication that Paterno knew more than what was reported to him by the grad asst. This is a sorted mess and the truth needs to come out, then blame can be assessed.

Coach Pants 11-08-2011 10:42 PM

Matt Millen is coach in waiting. Get ready for some integrity.

clyde 11-08-2011 10:49 PM

If it comes out they eat meat on Friday....this whole thing of theirs will come crashing down like a house of cards.

clyde 11-08-2011 10:57 PM

I think this man should be StatePenn's new coach:




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mi-5v...eature=related

jms62 11-09-2011 05:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by somerfrost (Post 816367)
So you are posting gossip, not facts. A lot of people are saying a lot of things. The grand jury report (link posted earlier in a thread here) has the facts as known so far and there is no indication that Paterno knew more than what was reported to him by the grad asst. This is a sorted mess and the truth needs to come out, then blame can be assessed.

Dude... If Somebody reports an anal rape of a child to me and I go to my superiors and nothing is done in a week I go to the police.Actually I go to the police regardless of what my superiors tell me to do. It really is that simple. I don't know why you must always be the cotrarian in this **** always hiding behind "we don't know all the facts". The dude said he saw a 50+ year old man raping a kid in the shower... Are you saying he is lying?

Danzig 11-09-2011 06:21 AM

i saw an article yesterday that says sandusky was on campus last week, at the athletic facility. yeah, they banned him...:rolleyes:
paterno will be leaving, all reports indicate they are preparing for his departure. and he won't be the only one departing, nor should he be.

sordid mess indeed. one that shouldn't have gone on as long as it had; and who pays? kids. but hey, they were down on their luck, so nobody really cared, did they?


in merry olde england, there was a law about raising the 'hue and cry'...that if a crime occurred, it was the citizens responsibility to report a crime to the authorities. so much for evolution.

Danzig 11-09-2011 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 816371)
Matt Millen is coach in waiting. Get ready for some integrity.

i can't stand him. espn, where crappy coaches and ad's go to get work. and if espn said it, it must be true!

dalakhani 11-09-2011 07:18 AM

Joe needs to go. How could he not have known? Come on. How many young boys were violated because joe looked the other way?

Antitrust32 11-09-2011 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by somerfrost (Post 816367)
So you are posting gossip, not facts. A lot of people are saying a lot of things. The grand jury report (link posted earlier in a thread here) has the facts as known so far and there is no indication that Paterno knew more than what was reported to him by the grad asst. This is a sorted mess and the truth needs to come out, then blame can be assessed.

the grand jury report alone is enough. every name that is mentioned in that report needs to go.

horseofcourse 11-09-2011 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 816350)
Curley is not the "token fall guy", he's the POS that covered it up and is now lying about it. It's difficult assessing who deserves what blame and much easier to just say they all f.ucked up and all need to be out immediately and answer to the authorities.

I'm just saying that's who the school is using to exonerate Joe. "Joe told Curley, that by law is all he was required to do." That's the ridiculous reasoning being thrown around. All I know is McQueary saw a man raping a child based on the Grand Jury report. whether he told Paterno exactly what was in the report is still unknown. Regardless, McQueary was the eyewitness and should have immediately notified police. The proper "chain" was followed and every single person in that chain should be gone starting with McQueary then all the way up.

Coach Pants 11-09-2011 09:01 AM

It's pure evil. Borderline satanic. Students rallying for the coach. Arguably the most disgusting display of insanity this year.

RockHardTen1985 11-09-2011 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 816381)
Dude... If Somebody reports an anal rape of a child to me and I go to my superiors and nothing is done in a week I go to the police.Actually I go to the police regardless of what my superiors tell me to do. It really is that simple. I don't know why you must always be the cotrarian in this **** always hiding behind "we don't know all the facts". The dude said he saw a 50+ year old man raping a kid in the shower... Are you saying he is lying?

Well said. Paterno should have went to the police first, **** your superiors in a situation like this.

RockHardTen1985 11-09-2011 09:14 AM

Paterno to retire. Breaking news on espn.com homepage.
LOL but not now, end of season. What a joke.

Dahoss 11-09-2011 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 816405)
Arguably the most disgusting display of insanity this year.

Not to make light of this situation, but Vic was hired as a steward this year. I think that fits disgusting display of insanity pretty well.

NTamm1215 11-09-2011 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 816405)
It's pure evil. Borderline satanic. Students rallying for the coach. Arguably the most disgusting display of insanity this year.

Amen. The sight of him smiling and showing any kind of happiness in this situation is sickening.

RockHardTen1985 11-09-2011 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 816408)
Not to make light of this situation, but Vic was hired as a steward this year. I think that fits disgusting display of insanity pretty well.


Vic is a steward of what? How is that even possible? He is a big better, no?

clyde 11-09-2011 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 816409)
Amen. The sight of him smiling and showing any kind of happiness in this situation is sickening.


Oh come on.

It's Happy Valley.

Everyone is happy in Happy Valley.Why,even Danny(now in Pleasantville,Ark...a Stepford wife) is still happy.El Dopa is the Head Happy in Happy Valley.They just want to be happy.If El Dopa were to leave, they would be very unhappy.



You cannot have this in Happy Valley.

clyde 11-09-2011 10:07 AM

But seriously.....this thread is turning into a lynch mob.




I never cared for El Dopa, but God!!

The real very bad man is already forgotten

clyde 11-09-2011 10:10 AM

And what really is bizarre ... I would bet most of you wold have done as El Dopa did given the same scenario.

clyde 11-09-2011 10:43 AM

I can see Danny now.

Tony comes home a little early...she's alarmed."Golden Goose..whoa!!...I mean Honey, what's wrong?"


"I turned in the owners son about pedophilia acts I saw."

''Good for you Honey! You are so brave and righteous!"


"Then I got fired."

"OH YOU FUCl<IN' MORON! THAT'S ABOUT THE STUPIDEST THING YOU EVER DID.YOU HAD TO BE THE GOOD SCOUT ABOUT IT...DIDN'T YOU? I HATE YOU!!"

Antitrust32 11-09-2011 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clyde (Post 816420)
And what really is bizarre ... I would bet most of you wold have done as El Dopa did given the same scenario.

you would lose that bet if I was the person in the same scenario.


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