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jms62 10-18-2011 10:26 AM

Palmer to Raiders
 
For number 1 in 2012 and conditional number 1 in 2013. I would say the Bengals absolutely crushed the Raiders with that one.

MaTH716 10-18-2011 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 811632)
For number 1 in 2012 and conditional number 1 in 2013. I would say the Bengals absolutely crushed the Raiders with that one.

Wow, I thought Al Davis was dead.......................:zz:

Antitrust32 10-18-2011 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 811635)
Wow, I thought Al Davis was dead.......................:zz:

:tro:

Antitrust32 10-18-2011 10:47 AM

I'm sure the Redskins would welcome Jason Campbell back with open arms after he heals from the collarbone fracture.

jms62 10-18-2011 10:50 AM

He is worth exactly 0 #1's

MaTH716 10-18-2011 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 811639)
He is worth exactly 0 #1's

It's amazing, but if they were willing to give up 2 #1 picks, I bet that they could have done much better than Carson Palmer. Not that I'm a huge fan, but you would think that Dallas would have to give that package some serious consideration for Tony Romo.

jms62 10-18-2011 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 811641)
It's amazing, but if they were willing to give up 2 #1 picks, I bet that they could have done much better than Carson Palmer. Not that I'm a huge fan, but you would think that Dallas would have to give that package some serious consideration for Tony Romo.

3 #1's may get you Luck instead of someone who has shown NOTHING after coming off his injury

horseofcourse 10-18-2011 11:05 AM

I heard they could have gotten Orton for a 6th rounder. Not that Orton's any good, but for that price I think he plays just as well as Palmer will or very close.

MaTH716 10-18-2011 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 811643)
3 #1's may get you Luck instead of someone who has shown NOTHING after coming off his injury


Good Point about Luck, especially if it's the Colts at #1.

I wonder how the offense will react from going to a mobile QB to a guy who's like a statue back there.

There had to be much better/cheaper options out there than Palmer. Besides, what do they do with Campbell next year after giving up 2 potential #1 picks?

jms62 10-18-2011 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 811647)
Good Point about Luck, especially if it's the Colts at #1.

I wonder how the offense will react from going to a mobile QB to a guy who's like a statue back there.

There had to be much better/cheaper options out there than Palmer. Besides, what do they do with Campbell next year after giving up 2 potention #1 picks?

They can't even justify this with they want to win now line. Palmer hasn't played in 10 months, I don't care how much he has been working out and he is coming into a new system. I'm waiting for a report that this is a Sid-Finch like hoax. It is that bad a deal.

dagolfer33 10-18-2011 11:37 AM

They should have went after Matt Flynn, he's one the most capable backups in the league.

MaTH716 10-18-2011 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by dagolfer33 (Post 811663)
They should have went after Matt Flynn, he's one the most capable backups in the league.

Homer

clyde 10-18-2011 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by horseofcourse (Post 811645)
I heard they could have gotten Orton for a 6th rounder. Not that Orton's any good, but for that price I think he plays just as well as Palmer will or very close.

Ed Orton can play!

dagolfer33 10-18-2011 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 811665)
Homer

:D hey, notice I didn't say JaMarcus!

MaTH716 10-18-2011 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by dagolfer33 (Post 811671)
:D hey, notice I didn't say JaMarcus!

I think I would have rather give him another chance versus giving up 2 #1's for Carson Palmer.

Seattleallstar 10-18-2011 01:04 PM

I would of tried to throw money at Brett Farve first before pulling off this trade, thats alot to give up on a Carson Palmer who for the most part has underachieved his whole career.

dagolfer33 10-18-2011 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 811681)
I think I would have rather give him another chance

To do what? There will have to be a dozen or more starters brake down before Russell gets a call, you will probably never see him in the NFL again. I was being serious about Flynn, I think he could cut it. I think any team that realized the situation the Raiders are in would have gone after those picks, that's all they had to offer. It is a steep price to pay, but Oakland has to preserve the decent start they have and the good prospects of winning the division.

dagolfer33 10-18-2011 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Seattleallstar (Post 811684)
I would of tried to throw money at Brett Farve first before pulling off this trade, thats alot to give up on a Carson Palmer who for the most part has underachieved his whole career.

.......yea, but you have a lot of money to throw at him.

3kings 10-18-2011 01:43 PM

A 1st and 2nd is an unbelievable steal for the Bengals. He has been barely mediocre since Van Olhoffen took out his knee in that playoff game. Is Hue Jackson making the personal descisions in Oakland?

MaTH716 10-18-2011 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by dagolfer33 (Post 811689)
To do what? There will have to be a dozen or more starters brake down before Russell gets a call, you will probably never see him in the NFL again. I was being serious about Flynn, I think he could cut it. I think any team that realized the situation the Raiders are in would have gone after those picks, that's all they had to offer. It is a steep price to pay, but Oakland has to preserve the decent start they have and the good prospects of winning the division.

What are you basing the Matt Flynn talk on, the one game he played against the Pats?

There are probably a bunch of back-up's in the league now that you could have acquired for nothing more than a 3rd round pick.

It's ludicris to think that Carson Palmer might cost them 2 #1 picks. It's highway robbery.

Danzig 10-18-2011 01:54 PM

i've heard a lot of talk about flynn-he's on several peoples' radar, and is a free agent after this year. he's a better qb than some starters out there.

MaTH716 10-18-2011 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 811695)
i've heard a lot of talk about flynn-he's on several peoples' radar, and is a free agent after this year. he's a better qb than some starters out there.

Didn't people say the same things about Kevin Kolb?

dagolfer33 10-18-2011 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 811693)
What are you basing the Matt Flynn talk on, the one game he played against the Pats?

There are probably a bunch of back-up's in the league now that you could have acquired for nothing more than a 3rd round pick.

It's ludicris to think that Carson Palmer might cost them 2 #1 picks. It's highway robbery.

That's what I'm saying, they could get someone like a Flynn for a lower level pick, I'm no big Palmer fan. After 4 pm today, their only choice was to go after some old bones. The question is: of what value is Boller, that they would completely bury next years draft (they had already lost 3 other high picks), and start ruining year after nexts draft.

Clip-Clop 10-18-2011 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 811641)
It's amazing, but if they were willing to give up 2 #1 picks, I bet that they could have done much better than Carson Palmer. Not that I'm a huge fan, but you would think that Dallas would have to give that package some serious consideration for Tony Romo.

I am a cowboys fan and would happily take that deal.

Clip-Clop 10-18-2011 02:07 PM

Why not just start Pryor, he is eligible now and has worked out with the team.

MaTH716 10-18-2011 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by dagolfer33 (Post 811697)
That's what I'm saying, they could get someone like a Flynn for a lower level pick, I'm no big Palmer fan. After 4 pm today, their only choice was to go after some old bones. The question is: of what value is Boller, that they would completely bury next years draft (they had already lost 3 other high picks), and start ruining year after nexts draft.

I'm not sure of the details, but Palmer was eating up Cincy's cap space, so not only did they get 2 picks, but they freed up some room.

As far as Flynn goes, I could think of a handful of other guys with expierence that would have come cheap and been a better alternative then Flynn.

Guys like, David Carr, Charlie Whitehurst, Derek Anderson, Shaun Hill, John Kitna.

MaTH716 10-18-2011 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 811699)
I am a cowboys fan and would happily take that deal.

I asked a Cowboy fan I work with the same question and he said he would do it in a heartbeat as well.

dagolfer33 10-18-2011 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 811695)
i've heard a lot of talk about flynn-he's on several peoples' radar, and is a free agent after this year. he's a better qb than some starters out there.

I can think of several teams who would benefit from giving Flynn a chance over their current situation, including Flynn vs. healthy Campbell.

Antitrust32 10-18-2011 02:13 PM

I would trade Vince Young for an Undrafted Free Agent pick

MaTH716 10-18-2011 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 811706)
I would trade Vince Young for an Undrafted Free Agent pick

Vikings would probably do the same with McNabb.

wiphan 10-18-2011 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by dagolfer33 (Post 811704)
I can think of several teams who would benefit from giving Flynn a chance over their current situation, including Flynn vs. healthy Campbell.

The pack wasn't going to give Flynn away especially since they have no other backup QB on their roster. All packer fans love seeing flynn play in the 4th quarter assuming a 3 TD+ lead with A-Rogers on the sidelines smiling but I would not be comfortable with Matt Flynn as my every day QB. Pack would have had to get a serviceable backup with any trade for Flynn and that wasn't happening.

Antitrust32 10-18-2011 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 811707)
Vikings would probably do the same with McNabb.

It was a great day when he left Philly.

too bad we've still sucked since he left.

Seattleallstar 10-18-2011 03:46 PM

they should called Vinny Testaverde for one more shot at glory

Seattleallstar 10-18-2011 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 811701)
Why not just start Pryor, he is eligible now and has worked out with the team.

I honestly was thinking the same thing, on 2nd thought it looks like he wasnt even eligible to practice with the team, he could only be in team meetings. So I can see why they were scrambling to find a QB

somerfrost 10-18-2011 04:29 PM

Palmer could still have something left...at least he won't have to deal with a pair of self-centered, over-rated WR's.

Danzig 10-18-2011 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 811702)
I'm not sure of the details, but Palmer was eating up Cincy's cap space, so not only did they get 2 picks, but they freed up some room.

As far as Flynn goes, I could think of a handful of other guys with expierence that would have come cheap and been a better alternative then Flynn.

Guys like, David Carr, Charlie Whitehurst, Derek Anderson, Shaun Hill, John Kitna.

flynn has way more upside than any of those guys.
raiders paid too much for palmer, who is probably thrilled. poor campbell, guy can't catch a break. probably his best year, and now he's out for at least 6 weeks.

Danzig 10-18-2011 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 811699)
I am a cowboys fan and would happily take that deal.

romo's biggest problem is he's always been over-rated. he's no worse now than he ever was. but he, much like his team, is picked each year to do something more. what i don't get is why people feel that the team or the qb will do better.
insanity-doing the same thing expecting a different result.

Cannon Shell 10-18-2011 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 811701)
Why not just start Pryor, he is eligible now and has worked out with the team.

Seriously? Pryor makes Tebow look like Joe Montana.

Cannon Shell 10-18-2011 07:58 PM

I think people are overreacting about this trade. Think about it for a second. We are talking about the Raiders number 1 picks that are now Bengals number 1 picks. Based on the recent draft history of both teams they will pretty much be wasted regardless of who makes the selections.

dalakhani 10-18-2011 11:52 PM

What is a starting QB worth in the NFL? What is a starting QB worth to a potential playoff team in the NFL? What is a 31 year old former all pro starting QB worth to a franchise that hasn't been to the playoffs in nearly 10 years?

Time will tell if this was a good trade for either team. For cincy, it was a no brainer. For the raiders, making the playoffs would make it seem worth it to me.


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