Elway trying to draft the next Elway
 

Going with Tebow at QB.

1. Will shut the fans up
2. Unless I am seeing it wrong will in all likelyhood get the Broncs the first pick of the draft next year.

Sorry Chuck

i still think the colts will end up with first pick. the 'suck for luck' draft...

It is going to backfire on them because he will win a game or two in a very exciting fashion. That will fan the flames with the fans and it will be a regular Timmy Lovefest to see what he can do for a full season in 2012.

He already got Josh McDaniels fired for drafting him, he now has his sights set on making John Fox's tenure a one and done deal.

it'll put a some more butts in the seats for a bad team. everyone in denver who's been begging for this since preseason now gets their wish.

they get to see a guy who went 4 for 10 passing (completions included a screen pass and the weeks second best catch) replacing orton lead the team.

they'll still be a bad team but the new toy will keep people excited for a few more weeks.

Agree! He will no doubt have flashes where he plays very well. The race for Luck is wide open, Miami, Denver, Indy, Jacksonville certainly in mix at this point.

I will be suprised if he completes over 55% of his passes

Denver at Miami this week might have a big say in who eventually lands the first pick.

Good point. Interesting time for a first start. :rolleyes

Denver sells out, the extra butts in the seats mentioned by others is being blown way out of proportion. Might be the first time ever the coach and team president hope their 1st round qb sucks. It would make both of their jobs easier.

They actually play next week.

I just think it Miami for a couple of reasons. Obviously they lost Henne (not that he was anything special) for the rest of the season.

They have a lame duck coach, Sparano is a goner. You would think guys will start throwing in the towel.

Their schedule is murder. It just seems like it's the perfect storm for them to end up the worst team in the league.

Jacksonville and the Colts still have to play each other twice which will take at least one team out of the equation.

I :{>: me some Tebow.

I'm pretty sure all of the aforementioned teams aren't any worse than just about anybody in the NFC West with the exception of the 49ers. Unfortunately for the Cardinals, Seahawks, and Rams, they all have to play each other.

Broncos went out and got Fox, the only coach with a worse record than McD last year. Josh got himself fired. Attitude with the media and the fans doesn't do well here like in Boston. This is a fickle place when it comes to the Broncos. Kid makes plays anyway you slice it. Always has. I am no Broncs fan but am very curious to see what he does and would not put it past him to win quite a few.

I hope you are right but they will wind up with 3 wins and some other **** team like the Colts will get 2.

They have a few winnable games against the rest of this schedule: at Jets, Denver, at Giants, at Chiefs, Redskins, Bills, at Dallas, Raiders, Eagles, at Bills, at Pats and Jets.

The Jets suck
The Broncos suck
The Giants lost to Seattle, they suck
The Chiefs suck
The Redskins have Rex Grossman, they are beatable
The Bills aren't unbeatable
Dallas has Romo, they are beatable
The Raiders on the road?
The Eagles have proven that losing comes naturally to them and will have a guy from Northwestern at QB by then
They will lose at Buffalo
They will lose at NE
The Jets suck

They actually played ok against the Texans and Chargers. They probably should have won the Browns game. Henne being out hurts (never thought I would say that) but Moore isnt that much worse.

The Colts get the Bengals on the road (they could win, it is the Bengals), at NO (L), at Tenn (L), Atlanta (L), Jacksonville (potential W), Carolina (potential W), at NE (L), at Balt (L), Tenn (L), Houston (L), at Jacksonville (potential W)

They only have 4 prayers of winning. Figure they win 2. No way we can beat that. I cant even bear to look at Jacksonvilles schedule

Chuck, they had every opportunity in the world to open that game up very early last night. They did have some moments where I said to myself, that they really aren't that bad. Then they had some moments where I thought that they were worse than I thought.

I can't believe how many passes Brandon Marshall continues to drop. While the defense did play well at times, it very well could have been a product of the Jets futility. But the lack of a pass rush is an absolute killer and that's what's going to due them in on most Sundays. I also couldn't believe at 0-4 that Sparano decided to sit on the ball with about 40 seconds left and a timeout before the half (while behind).

I still think their schedule is brutal. The majority of those teams can throw the ball very well. They better win vs the Broncos next week otherwise there's a chance that they could run the table the wrong way.

You watched that game last night? Oof.

Went to bed after the first drive of the second half. At that point I couldn't take anymore.

The desire of both teams to lose this game is very, very strong. I can't wait to see how it plays out. Whichever team loses will be extremely LUCK--eeeee.

Say what you want about him but Tebow is clutch. I know they had to get lucky recovering the onside kick to get the ball back and he was pretty dreadful the first three plus quarters. But when it counted most, he delivered and his fourth quarter numbers weren't bad. I've long felt that the guy deserves a shot and that he could be successful. Same with Colt McCoy. Those guys had too much success at too high a level, especially Tebow, to not be able to play. I think he's going to be ok. He just has a knack for winning.

ESPN could not be more thrilled. Content for a week.

Could you be any more malleable? He fell behind 15-0 to the Dolphins. Wake me up when his 'knack for winning' helps them beat a professional team. The guy sucks.

True it was the Dolphins and true they were lucky but the guy performed in crunch time. Say what you will, and he's easy to be critical of, but I've seen many many worse first games. Karma is powerful, lets see how it translates to the NFL.

To me he looked lost out there like the game was moving way too fast for him. Kind of like a guy that was confident that he could run with the ball but nothing else and looked to run every chance he got.

Sorta like Vick in his Falcon years?

A Week 7 game against a winless team isn't 'crunch time'. Like I said, let's see him help beat a good team, then we'll talk. And I don't understand why people think this was his first game. He made two starts at the end of last season.

i thought christian ponder looked pretty good against the packers. he might have a future as a middling nfl starter.

tim tebow, on the other hand, looked just awful against miami as anyone without tebow colored glasses knows. he was horribly inaccurate and made bad decisions. he is what we thought he was.

if he hadn't played poorly the rest of the game, they wouldn't have needed a come from behind win.

hey, no one tries harder than tebow...doesn't mean he has what it takes to be a top qb. karma...pfft. has nothing to do with it.

Karma has a role in everything if you believe in it (as I do), if not then it's easy to dismiss. Regardless of your beliefs, the truth about Tebow will be revealed over time, not as a basis of a few games or preconceived ideas.

:rolleyes:

so if you don't believe in it, it doesn't have a role? what i believe is that the harder you work, the luckier you get. want to alone isn't enough, neither is talent alone. but if someone can do well purely because of drive, then tebow will do well.

I'd take Karma -3 vs. Denver right now.

merit is lot easier to prove than karma and the nfl, for all it's many flaws, is set up to reward the former and not the latter. ray lewis. randy moss. any oakland raider. i could go on.

tebow wasn't a #3 on denver's depth chart at the start of the season because of karma. he's struggled to make the transition to the pro's and anyone with eyes can see where this story ends.

if i believed in a nebulous concept like karma, i might think the fact the bronco's traded up to make him a first round pick with all the financial reward that entails makes him mother f'ing theresa. karma's done it's part.

in the meantime actual talent should have something to do with how the rest of his now predictably short nfl career goes.

he's a really nice ryan leaf.

When the defenses keep a LB in to key on his runs he will be really ****ed, unable to run and unable to pass. Take the Under going forward in Bronco games.

I'm pretty sure he started 3 games last year. Won one of them passing for over 300 against Houston.

I still think the title of this thread is all this is about. I'm pretty sure Elway wants Tebow to fail and he wants to get Luck. It is no coincidence the Broncos traded by leaps and bounds their best offensive player (Brandon Lloyd) before Tebow's first start. So he's gonna get to play without their top threat too the rest of the year. Perhaps this is simply because Lloyd is a free agent and he was gone anyway and they want to play Thomas full time, but this was a really bad football team whether Tebow plays or not anyway. Trading Brandon Lloyd made the team even worse. It's gonna be really tough to out do the Dolphins and Colts for the Broncos now with that win however.

surprise!

tim tebow is playing an average defense without two weeks to prepare.

where are the "start orton" billboards?

That was not good today. At all. Now all of the anti-Tebow guys will use this to say "told you so". They will be as wrong as the pro-Tebow guys are in jumping to last week as proof that he will succeed. The truth is that the jury is still out either way and judging him after five starts isn't fair. He's done some good things. He's done some bad. That come with the territory with new starters early in their careers. I still think he'll be ok. We'll see.

i don't consider myself anti-tebow. he seems like a nicer human being than 90% of the people on this planet.

what i am is anti-blind. apologies to any blind people that read this.

and i reject the suggestion that there's some middle ground between blind people and those that can see in a debate about what color the sky is. and that we need to weigh equally the opinion of those that have no sight.

it's not his fault the bronco's made a terrible decision. it's their front offices fault. if he weren't a first round choice none of this discussion would be taking place.

but that doesn't take away from the fact that he's a demonstrably bad nfl qb and won't be in the league as a starter beyond whatever time it takes for the bronco's to admit the obvious.