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Kasept 03-13-2011 06:58 AM

Weekend Beyers
 
TAM Tampa Bay Derby (G2): Watch Me Go 83 (K. O'Connell/L. Garcia)
TAM Hillsborough S (G3): Denomination 94 (C. Clement/F. Lenclud)
TAM Suncoast S: Wyomia 83 (C. Garrison/F. Lenclud)

GP Gulfstream Park H (G2): Tackleberry 103 (L. Olivares/J. Santiago)
GP Palm Beach S (G3): Joes Blazing Aaron 84 (A. Hunter/O. Bocachica)
GP Timely Writer S: Uncle Mo 89 (T. Pletcher/J. Velazquez)
GP MSW (6f): Redeemed 90 (Dutrow/Velazquez)
GP MSW (9f): Praetereo 84 (Pletcher/Velazquez)
GP Herecomesthebride S (G3): Dynamic Holiday 84 (H. Motion/R. Dominguez)

SA China Doll S: Cambina TBD (J. Bonde/G. Gomez)
SA Santa Margarita S (G1): Miss Match 96 (N. Drysdale/G. Gomez)
SA San Felipe S (G2): Premier Pegasus 96 (M. Cho/A. Quinonez)

OP Honeybee S (G3): Joyful Victory 82 (J. Jones/M. Smith)
OP Razorback H (G3): It Happened Again 94 (S. Asmussen/M. Baze)

FG New Orleans Ladies S: Ravi's Song 91 (C. Bowman/C. Lanerie)
FG Grindstone S: Great Mills 83 (S. Asmussen/S. Sellers)

LRL Conniver S: Fascinatin' Rhythm 86 (R. Small/F. Boyce)

AQU Sweet Envoy S: Eminent Tale 83 (R. Dutrow/J. Valdivia)
AQU Out Ruled S: R Holiday Mood 74 (T. Pletcher/C. Velasquez)
AQU Kings Point S: Inherit the Gold 100 (J. Hooper/E. Castro)

Kasept 03-13-2011 08:34 AM

96 for Premier Pegasus..

freddymo 03-13-2011 10:33 AM

So To Honor and Serves comeback was way faster then Stay Thirsty and Uncle Mo. Here is a prefect example why BSF are only a tool and why Beyer created them to be ONLY as much. They all can go forward and isn't that what we all want? Plus we have a razor sharp Soldat and a few decent contenders out west, it's shaping up to be a good spring. Now the fun begins.

hockey2315 03-13-2011 12:43 PM

Moss Race Shape for the San Felipe: 98 (+26) 98 (+17) 94 (+7) 91

He's a nice horse and his consistency might prove a huge asset, but let's all get a grip about his performance. It was an illusion.

The Indomitable DrugS 03-13-2011 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 760448)
So To Honor and Serves comeback was way faster then Stay Thirsty and Uncle Mo.

To Honor and Serve got an 85 - Stay Thirsty and Uncle Mo an 89.

The Indomitable DrugS 03-13-2011 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockey2315 (Post 760476)
Moss Race Shape for the San Felipe: 98 (+26) 98 (+17) 94 (+7) 91

He's a nice horse and his consistency might prove a huge asset, but let's all get a grip about his performance. It was an illusion.

Are you referring to Jaycito?

hockey2315 03-13-2011 01:06 PM

Mostly Premier Pegasus. . . he was far enough out of it early that I think it was still a very advantageous trip for him. I'm not saying he's not ok, but some of the excitement on here and other places got out of hand. Jaycito and the third horse obviously got a ton of help, but Jaycito does seem like the type who can suck up for a piece in the derby.

The Indomitable DrugS 03-13-2011 01:12 PM

PP was miles the best of the top 3 finishers.

Comma to the Top was an awesome 4th IMO. He would have murdered the Tampa Derby field on the basis of that performance.

hockey2315 03-13-2011 01:14 PM

I agree on Comma to the Top - I was shocked he ran on a bit.

Kasept 03-13-2011 01:48 PM

When tj asked yesterday 'who was 4th' and I went back to the screen and saw it was him, I was stunned. Having seen Runflatout and Albergatti straggle home, I had figured he was probably 8th ahead of them.

Patrick333 03-13-2011 03:35 PM

Asmussen seems to have turned It Happened Again around. He sure has improved over his last few races.

DaTruth 03-13-2011 11:44 PM

What is Red Ace's BSF for his win in Sunday's 7th race at Fair Grounds. Thanks.

hockey2315 03-13-2011 11:49 PM

86 - he made an impressive move. . . was a nice little pinhook too for a Northern Afleet. . . from $77k to $300K.

Kasept 03-14-2011 04:53 AM

GP Herecomesthebride S (G3): Dynamic Holiday 84 (H. Motion/R. Dominguez)

SA China Doll S: Cambina TBD (J. Bonde/G. Gomez)

AQU Sweet Envoy S: Eminent Tale 83 (R. Dutrow/J. Valdivia)
AQU Out Ruled S: R Holiday Mood 74 (T. Pletcher/C. Velasquez)

OldDog 03-14-2011 08:52 AM

I love how Tackleberry just keeps on coming.

Linny 03-14-2011 08:55 AM

How 'bout a shout out to Inherit the Gold? This is just a nice horse.

NoLuvForPletch 03-14-2011 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockey2315 (Post 760483)
I agree on Comma to the Top - I was shocked he ran on a bit.


I've kind of liked CTTT a bit as well. I was shocked he was still there late too, but might that be more of an indication that Jaycito just isn't that good?

dalakhani 03-14-2011 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch (Post 760621)
I've kind of liked CTTT a bit as well. I was shocked he was still there late too, but might that be more of an indication that Jaycito just isn't that good?

Okay, I'm lost. What does Comma to the top hanging on for fourth have to do with Jaycito being not very good?

NTamm1215 03-14-2011 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani (Post 760624)
Okay, I'm lost. What does Comma to the top hanging on for fourth have to do with Jaycito being not very good?

I would say it was widely held going in that Comma To The Top had peaked and considering he was involved in that brutal pace and actually opened up at the top of the stretch, Jaycito should have soundly defeated him.

Jaycito likely needed a race but it would have been nice to see him move forward in his first start at 3 a little bit more than that. He's going to have to improve quite a bit to be considered a win candidate on 5/7.

NoLuvForPletch 03-14-2011 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dalakhani (Post 760624)
Okay, I'm lost. What does Comma to the top hanging on for fourth have to do with Jaycito being not very good?

Yes... What he ^^^ said. Thanks.

dalakhani 03-14-2011 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 760626)
I would say it was widely held going in that Comma To The Top had peaked and considering he was involved in that brutal pace and actually opened up at the top of the stretch, Jaycito should have soundly defeated him.

Jaycito likely needed a race but it would have been nice to see him move forward in his first start at 3 a little bit more than that. He's going to have to improve quite a bit to be considered a win candidate on 5/7.

I think it speaks more to Comma to the Top running a nice race considering where the other two horses that were dueling ended up but that's just my opinion.

I wonder if Baffert puts the shades back on Jaycito. He looked dull.

Kasept 03-14-2011 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dalakhani (Post 760630)
I wonder if Baffert puts the shades back on Jaycito. He looked dull.

Yes... Baffert returning the hood to Jaycito.

NoLuvForPletch 03-14-2011 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dalakhani (Post 760630)
I think it speaks more to Comma to the Top running a nice race considering where the other two horses that were dueling ended up but that's just my opinion.

I wonder if Baffert puts the shades back on Jaycito. He looked dull.

I don't disagree about CTTT's guts. No doubt he is a gutty horse, but for Jaycito to only beat him by 2 lengths after CTTT goes sub 45 sub 109 is a mystery. Maybe the double move and the wide trip need to be more seriously accounted for?

Sightseek 03-14-2011 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldDog (Post 760611)
I love how Tackleberry just keeps on coming.

Me too!

Dahoss 03-14-2011 12:34 PM

Could someone please explain the Jaycito hype to me? I really don't get it and I have tried to. Where is his good race? Is it all based on his non threatening run in the Juvenile? Maybe Baffert? I was sure after his performance on Saturday that the talk would subside, but he's still being talked about.

Indian Charlie 03-14-2011 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 760655)
Could someone please explain the Jaycito hype to me? I really don't get it and I have tried to. Where is his good race? Is it all based on his non threatening run in the Juvenile? Maybe Baffert? I was sure after his performance on Saturday that the talk would subside, but he's still being talked about.

It is one of the greater horse racing mysteries to me, ever.

asudevil 03-14-2011 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch (Post 760637)
I don't disagree about CTTT's guts. No doubt he is a gutty horse, but for Jaycito to only beat him by 2 lengths after CTTT goes sub 45 sub 109 is a mystery. Maybe the double move and the wide trip need to be more seriously accounted for?

Peter Miller and his owners should check their egos at the door. Put this guy back on grass and go get trophy's and lots of dough. No shame in his main track efforts.

knickslions2 03-14-2011 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 760655)
Could someone please explain the Jaycito hype to me? I really don't get it and I have tried to. Where is his good race? Is it all based on his non threatening run in the Juvenile? Maybe Baffert? I was sure after his performance on Saturday that the talk would subside, but he's still being talked about.

Couldn't agree with you more...I haven't seen one thing from this horse that leads me to belive he can win the derby.

NTamm1215 03-14-2011 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 760655)
Could someone please explain the Jaycito hype to me? I really don't get it and I have tried to. Where is his good race? Is it all based on his non threatening run in the Juvenile? Maybe Baffert? I was sure after his performance on Saturday that the talk would subside, but he's still being talked about.

The funny thing about it all too is that people are being a little bit more critical of Premier Pegasus because he "got a huge setup." Everyone needs to re-watch that race and see where PP and Jaycito are respectively with just over a half-mile to go. Premier Pegasus absolutely blew Jaycito's doors off.

Yes, the pace setup was hot, but this wasn't some staggerfest late where Premier Pegasus clunked up to win. He made a legitimate 3 furlong bid that, yes was setup by a fast pace, but was also a very strong move.

Unless you are REALLY forgiving and feel that Jaycito needed a race off the bench there's absolutely no reason why you'd take him over Premier Pegasus right now. PP made the first run into the collapsing pace and Jaycito still did nothing more than plod along for a well-beaten 2nd.

tjfla 03-14-2011 01:26 PM

THe thing people fall to talk about is that the race was 1 1/16, if the race was 1 1/8 Comma to the Top would have been like 7th or 8th.

He has no chance in the Derby

Jaycito on the other hand did not look great but raced decent. The distance will help him and don't forget he came off a layoff. I am just happy he did not blow any turns this time LOL

NoLuvForPletch 03-14-2011 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 760655)
Could someone please explain the Jaycito hype to me? I really don't get it and I have tried to. Where is his good race? Is it all based on his non threatening run in the Juvenile? Maybe Baffert? I was sure after his performance on Saturday that the talk would subside, but he's still being talked about.

I thought his Norfolk was a pretty impressive effort. I have never seen a horse win a two turn race (non bull ring of course) being at least 4 wide the entire way around, except maybe Big Brown's Derby, and i don't think he was quite as wide for as long. Still impressive in its own right. How many lengths better than JP's Gusto in that race?

Port Conway Lane 03-14-2011 01:58 PM

Anyone who watches HRTV regularly knows Jeff Siegel touted this horse heavily in the week leading up to the race, based solely on what he was told by Baffert.

It was funny watching Baffert being interviewed the day of the race playing down the inevitable KOD.

Indian Charlie 03-14-2011 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 760672)
The funny thing about it all too is that people are being a little bit more critical of Premier Pegasus because he "got a huge setup." Everyone needs to re-watch that race and see where PP and Jaycito are respectively with just over a half-mile to go. Premier Pegasus absolutely blew Jaycito's doors off.

Yes, the pace setup was hot, but this wasn't some staggerfest late where Premier Pegasus clunked up to win. He made a legitimate 3 furlong bid that, yes was setup by a fast pace, but was also a very strong move.

Unless you are REALLY forgiving and feel that Jaycito needed a race off the bench there's absolutely no reason why you'd take him over Premier Pegasus right now. PP made the first run into the collapsing pace and Jaycito still did nothing more than plod along for a well-beaten 2nd.

Yeah man, I really don't know what people see when they watch a race sometimes. PP ran out of his skin, and Jaycito, well, he was Jaycito.

Indian Charlie 03-14-2011 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch (Post 760676)
I thought his Norfolk was a pretty impressive effort. I have never seen a horse win a two turn race (non bull ring of course) being at least 4 wide the entire way around, except maybe Big Brown's Derby, and i don't think he was quite as wide for as long. Still impressive in its own right. How many lengths better than JP's Gusto in that race?

How many lengths better than JP's Gusto?

Who cares??

The Indomitable DrugS 03-14-2011 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockey2315 (Post 760476)
Moss Race Shape for the San Felipe: 98 (+26) 98 (+17) 94 (+7) 91

Do you have the Moss race shape for the Tampa Derby or Uncle Mo's race?

Scav 03-14-2011 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Port Conway Lane (Post 760681)
Anyone who watches HRTV regularly knows Jeff Siegel touted this horse heavily in the week leading up to the race, based solely on what he was told by Baffert.

It was funny watching Baffert being interviewed the day of the race playing down the inevitable KOD.

It might have had something to do with his partner Andy Harrington also. His workout reports on Jaycito were very strong.

LARHAGE 03-14-2011 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 760655)
Could someone please explain the Jaycito hype to me? I really don't get it and I have tried to. Where is his good race? Is it all based on his non threatening run in the Juvenile? Maybe Baffert? I was sure after his performance on Saturday that the talk would subside, but he's still being talked about.


LOL, I was thinking the same thing, the horse is wacky and slow, just the type of Derby horse that excels.

hockey2315 03-14-2011 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 760685)
Do you have the Moss race shape for the Tampa Derby or Uncle Mo's race?

Tampa Bay Derby: 73 (+1) 75 (-4) 82 (-1) 86

Uncle Mo: 51 (-26) 59 (-24) 71 (-15) 89 WOW

Dahoss 03-14-2011 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch (Post 760676)
I thought his Norfolk was a pretty impressive effort. I have never seen a horse win a two turn race (non bull ring of course) being at least 4 wide the entire way around, except maybe Big Brown's Derby, and i don't think he was quite as wide for as long. Still impressive in its own right. How many lengths better than JP's Gusto in that race?

Have you watched a race in California in the last 3 years? It happens daily on synth.

hockey2315 03-14-2011 05:29 PM

I'd like to go on record that I think Jaycito sucks. . . I said earlier in the thread that I thought he could suck up for a piece. By a piece, I meant fourth. Only because he'll be at the back early being his stupid self.


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