3/11-13 (CD): Derby Future Pool 2/Oaks Future Pool 1
 

Kentucky Derby Future Wager Pool 2
(No., Horse, Pool 1 odds, Pool 2 Morning-Line Odds)

1. Anthony’s Cross, 45-1, 30-1
2. Archarcharch, 2-1(f), 50-1
3. Astrology, 48-1, 50-1
4. Brethren, 15-1, 15-1
5. Comma to the Top, 90-1, 50-1
6. Dialed In, 8-1, 10-1
7. Elite Alex, 2-1(f), 50-1
8. Gourmet Dinner, 85-1, 30-1
9. J.P.’s Gusto, 79-1, 50-1
10. Jaycito, 21-1, 20-1
11. Machen, 49-1, 50-1
12. Mucho Macho Man, 30-1, 20-1
13. Rogue Romance, 34-1, 30-1
14. Runflatout, 2-1(f), 50-1
15. Santiva, 37-1, 30-1
16. Silver Medallion, 66-1, 50-1
17. Soldat, 18-1, 8-1
18. Stay Thirsty, 40-1, 20-1
19. Sway Away 2-1(f), 15-1
20. Sweet Ducky, 79-1, 50-1
21. The Factor, 25-1, 10-1
22. To Honor and Serve, 10-1, 15-1
23. Uncle Mo, 7-2, 7-2
24. All others (field), 2-1, 3-1
(f) – Field entry in Pool 1

Kentucky Oaks Future Wager
(No., Horse, Morning-Line Odds)

1. A Z Warrior, 15-1
2. Big Tiz, 20-1
3. Bouquet Booth, 20-1
4. Dancinginherdreams, 10-1
5. Delightful Mary, 15-1
6. Harlan’s Ruby, 20-1
7. Holy Heavens, 50-1
8. Inglorious, 30-1
9. It’s Tricky, 10-1
10. Joyful Victory, 20-1
11. Kathmanblu, 12-1
12. Mildly Offensive, 50-1
13. Miss Smarty Pants, 50-1
14. Oh Carole, 50-1
15. Pomeroys Pistol, 30-1
16. R Heat Lightning, 8-1
17. Rigoletta, 30-1
18. Royal Delta, 20-1
19. Salty Strike, 30-1
20. Snow Fall, 50-1
21. Summer Soiree, 50-1
22. Wyomia, 50-1
23. Zazu, 8-1
24. All others (field), 5-2

I like that Inglorious horse. Not sure if she can win the Oaks or not, but she's obviously not far off Kathmanblu. Anyone know where she's going next?

Am I crazy to think It's Tricky might be an overlay at 10-1?

I love HER at that price...think she'll come down a little though.

He's a she.


I'm hoping Sway Away floats up to a bettable price. I've seen people take worse stabs. I just hope he's more than a closing sprinter.

I might have to bet a few bucks on Archarcharch.

Astrology, at 50-1, is the only play. He won't be in the Rebel until the 19th

Ya 50-1 is way off

I don't know about that ... unless Uncle Mo bombs - he will be about that price...maybe higher

Bretheren is running against pure dogsh!t at Tampa.

I suppose what I'd want to see in terms of this bet are ....

1.) An underwhelming and unimpressive easy victory by Uncle Mo - similar to the one War Pass had in his 3yo debut.

2.) Bretheren wins handily again


If that happens - I'll be paying close attention to the odds in the final 15 minutes trying to scoop up an overlay or even possibly the best couple of overlays.

Hmmm I really Think John Oxley(owner) will win the Ky Oaks this Year and I believe his best 3 year old filly is not on the list Yet...;)

I really like the price on Inglorious, hope she stays around the 30-1 morning line.

Why? He seems slow and unlikely to me.

LOL....

lock it up

He's just trolling, but it's funny to me when someone calls a horse that is 50-1 ML, for a race 2 months out, slow and unlikely.

Who is likely right now?

Just people laying seeds for glory without consequence..Buy a lottery ticket and pray.. Why not I do

I am taking Royal Delta in the Oaks at 20-1.

I'm sure you know she's entered, but Make sure you watch her run at Tampa first.

Yes. Plus, she will likely be closer to 20:1.

I have a hard time believing she will be less than 2:1 in the FL Oaks ( ex-Bonnie Miss ) vs R Heat Lightning...and maybe higher. Isn't that a much better raceday play than 10:1ish on her for the Oaks now?

Then again, considering the National Handicapper for DRF doesn't even consider her one of the 10 best 3YO fillies, shouldn't she be like 50:1?

The Oaks picture is a much bigger mess than the Derby picture imo.

http://www1.drf.com/images/pdf/Oaks_FuturePool_2.pdf


#20 and #21 are first-crop War Fronts like Soldat and The Factor ... he's getting front-end speed routers. I almost fell down when I glanced at his win percentage with routers a few weeks ago ... than my eyes moved left and I saw the sample size wasn't sh!t.

I like how the Larry Jones trained one has run five Beyers of 47 or less in seven races .. Eight Belles had a physcotic form like that early on. Probably the only reason they included her in this bet.

I agree with this but the total pool in the Oaks is so much smaller than the Derby that I don't know what kind of value prop the field would be if that's what you meant. Taking stabs at higher individual runners might not be a bad idea though.

Runflatout is getting pummeled in the pools so far. He is the current favorite at 5/2 off a 50/1 ML. To Honor and Serve is 2nd choice at 4/1, Uncle Mo 3rd choice at 7/1 and the field is at 10/1.

Only really stupid people would bet this early, so that's why the odds are really stupid.

really, really, really stupid people.

I'll be dipping in this one also. Gonna box Kathmanblu with Dancinginherdreams, Delightful Mary, Its Tricky, Joyful Victory, R Heat Lighting, Rigoletta, Royal Delta, Zazu, All Others

If Kathmanblu is 8/1> I will play her to win also.

I absolutely despise Kathmanblu.

The only way I can begin to comprehend a wager into this pool this early is if the bettor mistakenly thinks he gets the odds at the time of the wager. And it would not surprise me if some people think that.

Well, the only legit reason I can see to make the wager this early is if you won't be able to make the wager later on, say like you will be at a wedding.

They have internet on cell phones for such instances

If The Factor stays at 30-1 through today, I may be forced to jump aboard.

I hope you're booking him at that microscopic price.

I doubt she can even beat the horse that was 2nd to her last out at Fair Grounds.

I'm with you.

Maybe Mike Watchmaker made up for excluding It's Tricky on his Top 10 by putting a $1,000 on her because someone just did.

I saw that. . . 19-1 to 8-1. I bet a fair amount, but not enough to do that! Time to cancel.

I've never placed a Kentucky Derby future wager before (or any future wagers, for that matter), but I'm throwing in a few this year. Just in case I'm down and out, drunk on the side of the road or in some alley come that first saturday in May, I'll still be able to stagger into a bar and watch the race with great delight.

Astrology to win
The Factor to win

exacta box: Astrology/The Factor/all other three year olds:$::zz:

I liked what Joyful Vicotry did yesterday at Oaklawn. I put a few bucks on her today.

DERBY-Live Odds (Closes 6:00pm ET)

OAKS-Live Odds (Closes 6:30pm ET

I guess we are to assume that the big bet made on Runflatout was cancelled?

I don't think you can cancel wagers made into the KY Derby future pools, matter fact, I tried earlier today after I screwed up one of mine and on Twin Spires, you couldn't cancel.

You can't cancel through the tote either to the best of my knowledge.

One of the tellers accidently bet $100 on Blue Burner one year .... I offered him $7 for the ticket the next day - and he got pissed.