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justindew 11-07-2010 07:46 PM

Breeders' Cup Permanent Site
 
What do people think about this? I like the idea of keeping at CD every year. The event seems to draw a big crowd every year they hold it there. The lights for night racing add a cool twist. You don't have the heat of SoCal or the abundance of one-turn races like at Belmont. Center of the country.

Cannon Shell 11-07-2010 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by justindew (Post 719599)
What do people think about this? I like the idea of keeping at CD every year. The event seems to draw a big crowd every year they hold it there. The lights for night racing add a cool twist. You don't have the heat of SoCal or the abundance of one-turn races like at Belmont. Center of the country.

Was there a big crowd Friday?

tector 11-07-2010 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 719607)
Was there a big crowd Friday?

Compared to what?

They should get rid of the two day format anyway, but that is beside the point.

Cannon Shell 11-07-2010 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by tector (Post 719613)
Compared to what?

They should get rid of the two day format anyway, but that is beside the point.

Everyone i talked to that was there said the place was empty except the bathrooms where they went to get warm

mark2061mn 11-07-2010 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 719607)
Was there a big crowd Friday?

41,614

Cannon Shell 11-07-2010 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by mark2061mn (Post 719634)
41,614

were some posing as empty seats?

herkhorse 11-07-2010 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 719635)
were some posing as empty seats?

that's all I saw on ESPN, empty seats

philcski 11-07-2010 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 719626)
Everyone i talked to that was there said the place was empty except the bathrooms where they went to get warm

To be fair, it seemed like there were more people there than last year's Friday at SA. 41K, no way- like I said Friday to you I guessed 25K.

I would vote for CD as a permanent site in a heartbeat.

Sightseek 11-07-2010 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 719626)
Everyone i talked to that was there said the place was empty except the bathrooms where they went to get warm

Yep.

mark2061mn 11-07-2010 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 719635)
were some posing as empty seats?

I should have wrote... reported attendance. Didn't look like that many to me either.

Thunder Gulch 11-07-2010 08:14 PM

Would love it if Churchill worked out a permanent arrangement. I guess that's selfish of me because I have a much more difficult time making it to NY or Cali....as for Friday and the 2 day event- count me in the minority, but I loved it. It was a bit chilly, but nothing you couldn't stand. I love the racing under the lights and the extra day to play.

Sightseek 11-07-2010 08:16 PM

I hope they don't make it a permanent site.

randallscott35 11-07-2010 08:19 PM

It's a terrible idea to make a permanent site so that is just what they will do.

hoovesupsideyourhead 11-07-2010 08:34 PM

hialeah..its warm..

Danzig 11-07-2010 09:13 PM

as i've said before, a permanent site is a bad idea.
however, if they choose to pick one, it absolutely should be CD. they have better handle and attendance then any other track that's hosted it.

Travis Stone 11-07-2010 09:15 PM

Friday was definitely the "less crowded" day, but it was still fun.

I'm a fan of the two day event. More play, better for the local economy etc.

randallscott35 11-07-2010 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 719718)
as i've said before, a permanent site is a bad idea.
however, if they choose to pick one, it absolutely should be CD. they have better handle and attendance then any other track that's hosted it.

Garbage. NY handles big days better and doesn't play with the track like the clowns in KY do.

Danzig 11-07-2010 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 719722)
Garbage. NY handles big days better and doesn't play with the track like the clowns in KY do.

not sure what you're calling garbage. i've read an article that shows handle for each bc, and cd's always the biggest.

my miss storm cat 11-07-2010 09:18 PM

That's an awful idea!

Believe it or not not everyone wants to go running to Churchill.

I live in LA, best one I've been to was Belmont.

They need to be fair to us, the east coast, people closer to Gulfstream, Woodbine, Lone Star...

No way should it be at 1 place no matter which place their talking about, period.

eajinabi 11-07-2010 11:00 PM

The 2 day event is ok but why have it on friday? Sat and Sun sounds better.

free25 11-07-2010 11:01 PM

I hate the idea of a permanent site for a BC, and think it's terribly unfair for CD to get to host racing's 2 biggest days...I like a traveling BC site. And think that no one should have it 2 years in a row....Dirt and Poly should both be part of the equation.

Cannon Shell 11-07-2010 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by free25 (Post 719781)
I hate the idea of a permanent site for a BC, and think it's terribly unfair for CD to get to host racing's 2 biggest days...I like a traveling BC site. And think that no one should have it 2 years in a row....Dirt and Poly should both be part of the equation.

Who exactly is it unfair to?

philcski 11-07-2010 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by free25 (Post 719781)
I hate the idea of a permanent site for a BC, and think it's terribly unfair for CD to get to host racing's 2 biggest days...I like a traveling BC site. And think that no one should have it 2 years in a row....Dirt and Poly should both be part of the equation.

you're fired

DaTruth 11-07-2010 11:22 PM

I would like to see it at Fair Grounds. A good bit of temporary seating would have to be brought in, but the weather would be perfect and New Orleans excels at hosting major sporting events.

Dahoss 11-07-2010 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by eajinabi (Post 719779)
The 2 day event is ok but why have it on friday? Sat and Sun sounds better.

Good luck getting anyone to watch with the NFL going on at the same time.

Dahoss 11-07-2010 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DaTruth (Post 719789)
I would like to see it at Fair Grounds. A good bit of temporary seating would have to be brought in, but the weather would be perfect and New Orleans excels at hosting major sporting events.

That's actually a pretty good idea. Can they run 10 furlongs at The Fairgrounds? I don't follow it closely and can't ever remember seeing a 10 furlong dirt race.

philcski 11-07-2010 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 719795)
That's actually a pretty good idea. Can they run 10 furlongs at The Fairgrounds? I don't follow it closely and can't ever remember seeing a 10 furlong dirt race.

They can- mile track and the quarter pole is after the turn. I'd love to see the BC at the FG.

DaTruth 11-07-2010 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 719795)
That's actually a pretty good idea. Can they run 10 furlongs at The Fairgrounds? I don't follow it closely and can't ever remember seeing a 10 furlong dirt race.

Sure they can. The New Orleans Handicap was run at 10 furlongs from the 1970s until 1986.

Indian Charlie 11-07-2010 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 719793)
Good luck getting anyone to watch with the NFL going on at the same time.

Not necessarily so.

Ravioli could come up with a marketing plan to start the races at 6 AM EST, and maybe have the BCC at halftime of some big game.

Dahoss 11-07-2010 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DaTruth (Post 719802)
Sure they can. The New Orleans Handicap was run at 10 furlongs from the 1970s until 1986.

Yeah I just went to their site and saw they don't use the disatance anymore. Any idea why?

free25 11-07-2010 11:56 PM

It's unfair to the other capapble racetrack operators and fans in other parts of the country who may not be able to afford to travel. I actually was a bit bored with the Euro performances on dirt (as usual)!!! Poly make it a more level playing field for them, but less for the east coasters.

DaTruth 11-08-2010 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 719804)
Yeah I just went to their site and saw they don't use the disatance anymore. Any idea why?

They thought shortening the NO Hcp to 9 furlongs would make it more appealing. At the time it seemed like a bad idea considering the 1986 field was pretty good as it featured Herat (who was coming off a second in the Big Cap), Roo Art, and Hopeful Word.

Rupert Pupkin 11-08-2010 12:49 AM

If they're going to have a permanent site, I think Santa Anita would be the best place, now that they are going back to regular dirt. I think the risk of rain is too great when they run back east. It's a shame when important races are run in the slop. We were very fortunate this year that there was no rain in Louisville.

v j stauffer 11-08-2010 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by eajinabi (Post 719779)
The 2 day event is ok but why have it on friday? Sat and Sun sounds better.

The NFL would stand for Not For Long for all of us if we tried going up against that 1000lb Gorilla:eek:

letswastemoney 11-08-2010 01:47 AM

I wouldn't mind having it at a synthetic racetrack again.

You can eliminate practically half the field in each race in a synthetic BC. From a handicapping standpoint, it's wonderful.

AeWingnut 11-08-2010 05:48 AM

I hate the permanent site idea
besides California will soon be insolvent

Bigsmc 11-08-2010 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 719635)
were some posing as empty seats?

I was kind of surprised, but the crowd thinned noticeably for the last couple races.

Danzig 11-08-2010 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by eajinabi (Post 719779)
The 2 day event is ok but why have it on friday? Sat and Sun sounds better.

on a sunday during football season? yeah, ratings would be thru the roof.


edit-i see others beat me to that punch.



absolutely, i think the bc should travel. it's been billed as being for all breeders, not just those in ky.

pweizer 11-08-2010 07:15 AM

Having been there live each of the last two runnings, there is no question in my mind that Santa Anita should be the permanent site. Not only is the weather much better but the venue had had more of a big event feel.

The racing is the draw regardless of location but Santa Anita takes most of the weather variables out of the mix and is much easier to get to (even for those of us on the east coast) logistically.

Paul

scat daddy 11-08-2010 07:16 AM

Cup at Saratoga?
 
With the construction to begin next fall after the Saratoga meet for a new state of the art clubhouse wrapping around the 1st turn I give 10 years before the Cup comes to Saratoga. You have to believe....

Scat


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