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Kasept 08-03-2010 03:57 PM

8/6 (SAR): John's Call S., Loudonville S.
 
3rd (2:06) Loudonville S.

6 Furlongs | Fillies | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $70,000

1 Stormandaprayer Maragh R 118 L
2 Nonna Mia Velazquez J R 118 L
3 Simply Spiteful Rose J 118 L
4 Funny Feeling Garcia Alan 122 L
5 Lisa's Booby Trap Desormeaux K J 118 L
6 Zermatt Castellano J J 118 L



8th (4:56) John's Call S.

1 5/8 Miles (Turf) | Open | 4 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $70,000

1 Always First (GB) Albarado R J 119 L
2 Jade's Revenge Solis A 119 L
3 Solitaire Leparoux J R 121 L
4 Attempted Humor Gomez G K 117 Blk-Off L
5 Dry Martini Prado E S 119 L
6 Lignon's Hero (BRZ) Garcia Alan 117 L
7 Coolcullen Times (IRE) Castellano J J 117 L
8 Lime Rickey Velasquez C 115
9 Gangbuster Desormeaux K J 121 L
10 Leading On Luzzi M J 115 L
11 Perfect Shower Velazquez J R 121 L
12 Silver Mountain Dominguez R A 115 L
AE Rockin' Joe Camacho E 115 L
AE Thabazimbi Lezcano J 115
AE Southwest Cohen D 115
AE Romp (ARG) Albarado R J 115 L

NTamm1215 08-03-2010 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 677824)
3rd (2:06) Loudonville S.

6 Furlongs | Fillies | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $70,000

1 Stormandaprayer Maragh R 118 L
2 Nonna Mia Velazquez J R 118 L
3 Simply Spiteful Rose J 118 L
4 Funny Feeling Garcia Alan 122 L
5 Lisa's Booby Trap Desormeaux K J 118 L
6 Zermatt Castellano J J 118 L

I know Lisa's Booby Trap is kind of a joke but four of these fillies were nominated to the Test. It seems awfully counter-productive to run this race the day before the Test.

NT

ateamstupid 08-05-2010 08:28 PM

Why is she a joke?

The John's Call is a skullbuster by the way.

the_fat_man 08-05-2010 08:35 PM

Solitaire handled Perfect Shower pretty easily in the Singspiel (before Spice Route crushed him late); and he won this race last year. But Attfield is putting Velazquez up, a huge improvement over Jones, and his go to jock lately. Of course, I'm not taking a close look at the race until I know for sure it's ON the turf.

hockey2315 08-05-2010 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 678816)
Why is she a joke?

You must not get TVG. . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKSSPtd33_8

ateamstupid 08-05-2010 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315 (Post 678822)

Maybe I'm not getting the joke. It's a great story, she's got talent and that field tomorrow sure as hell isn't anything special.

Scav 08-05-2010 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315 (Post 678822)

Doesn't mean she is a joke

She has the fastest sprint number in the race, albeit at Finger Lakes and I have no idea how solid the number is.

RockHardTen1985 08-05-2010 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav (Post 678826)
Doesn't mean she is a joke

She might not be a joke, but her beyers have declined all 3 starts. Im sure Ateam will love that.....
I would be stunned if she is in the super.

ateamstupid 08-05-2010 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 678827)
She might not be a joke, but her beyers have declined all 3 starts. Im sure Ateam will love that.....
I would be stunned if she is in the super.

As if the stars hadn't already aligned enough for her to win this.

RockHardTen1985 08-05-2010 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 678830)
As if the stars hadn't already aligned enough for her to win this.


Then this should really set her up, SHE HAS 0% CHANCE TO WIN THIS RACE. She is a lot more likely to run 5th or last.

Scav 08-05-2010 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 678827)
She might not be a joke, but her beyers have declined all 3 starts. Im sure Ateam will love that.....
I would be stunned if she is in the super.

To counter your Beyer decline, she is 0-2 = x in terms of Thorograph, this pattern has yielded a return to the top alot.

She runs her debut race, which was huge, she will win

declansharbor 08-05-2010 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 678830)
As if the stars hadn't already aligned enough for her to win this.

:tro:

ateamstupid 08-05-2010 09:02 PM

Yeah, Nonna Mia really is the second coming of Xtra Heat. You're right.

RockHardTen1985 08-05-2010 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 678835)
Yeah, Nonna Mia really is the second coming of Xtra Heat. You're right.

I think this group SUCKS. All of them, not just the Finger Lakes horse.

ateamstupid 08-05-2010 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 678837)
I think this group SUCKS. All of them, not just the Finger Lakes horse.

1. Everybody in the race sucks
2. THIS HORSE HAS 0% CHANCE AND WILL NEVER HIT THE BOARD IN EVER

NTamm1215 08-05-2010 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav (Post 678833)
To counter your Beyer decline, she is 0-2 = x in terms of Thorograph, this pattern has yielded a return to the top alot.

She runs her debut race, which was huge, she will win

I'm not really an avid Sheets user but based on the patterns each of these fillies have, isn't it more likely that Nonna Mia or Zermatt run big races?

The problem, of course with every horse in this race not named Funny Feeling is that you're banking on them rating and being successful. If you have the stones to play a horse in here who you think is speed of the speed you're taking a gigantic chance.

NT

RockHardTen1985 08-05-2010 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 678839)
I'm not really an avid Sheets user but based on the patterns each of these fillies have, isn't it more likely that Nonna Mia or Zermatt run big races?

The problem, of course with every horse in this race not named Funny Feeling is that you're banking on them rating and being successful. If you have the stones to play a horse in here who you think is speed of the speed you're taking a gigantic chance.

NT


I think Nonna Mia will be the speed of the speed and I think Zermatt will rate.

ateamstupid 08-05-2010 09:34 PM

There's really no way Nonna Mia outruns Stormandaprayer to the first quarter, and so far NM has shown absolutely no ability to rate. I think she's a terrible bet at 2-1. Even though the race sets up for Funny Feeling, she had no excuse in the Prioress so she's hard to take at 5-2. Zermatt beat a terrible MSW field last time out and also isn't guaranteed to rate. How anybody can eliminate LBT is beyond me.

Scav 08-05-2010 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 678847)
There's really no way Nonna Mia outruns Stormandaprayer to the first quarter, and so far NM has shown absolutely no ability to rate. I think she's a terrible bet at 2-1. Even though the race sets up for Funny Feeling, she had no excuse in the Prioress so she's hard to take at 5-2. Zermatt beat a terrible MSW field last time out and also isn't guaranteed to rate. How anybody can eliminate LBT is beyond me.

Especially coming off the route race, she will most likely automatically be behind these fillies. LBT might fall into the perfect trip.

I can really care less about the race, but I will watch this one and cheer for her to win, nothing wrong with 'hope'

the_fat_man 08-05-2010 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 678839)

The problem, of course with every horse in this race not named Funny Feeling is that you're banking on them rating and being successful. If you have the stones to play a horse in here who you think is speed of the speed you're taking a gigantic chance.

NT

On this track? Surely you jest. How many off the pace, outside winners have there been so far?

NTamm1215 08-05-2010 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man (Post 678860)
On this track? Surely you jest. How many off the pace, outside winners have there been so far?

My comment dealt more with figuring out who the speed of the speed is in this field and then betting that horse. It's far from an easy task.

NT

RockHardTen1985 08-05-2010 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 678847)
There's really no way Nonna Mia outruns Stormandaprayer to the first quarter, and so far NM has shown absolutely no ability to rate. I think she's a terrible bet at 2-1. Even though the race sets up for Funny Feeling, she had no excuse in the Prioress so she's hard to take at 5-2. Zermatt beat a terrible MSW field last time out and also isn't guaranteed to rate. How anybody can eliminate LBT is beyond me.

I think NM clears.

the_fat_man 08-05-2010 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 678863)
My comment dealt more with figuring out who the speed of the speed is in this field and then betting that horse. It's far from an easy task.

NT

Songandaprayer should have the lead early.

ateamstupid 08-05-2010 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 678868)
I think NM clears.

Based on what? Stormandaprayer is significantly faster than her early.

hockey2315 08-05-2010 10:25 PM

There's a 0% chance that Nonna Mia can beat the 1 to the lead. . . She has an incredible amount of speed. The only horse close to capable of running with her early is the 6, who has no chance to get to her from that post.

johnny pinwheel 08-06-2010 06:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_fat_man (Post 678873)
Songandaprayer should have the lead early.

i agree, and if the track plays like it has, 5-1 will be a good risk on this horse.

ateamstupid 08-06-2010 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 678832)
Then this should really set her up, SHE HAS 0% CHANCE TO WIN THIS RACE. She is a lot more likely to run 5th or last.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 678842)
I think Nonna Mia will be the speed of the speed and I think Zermatt will rate.

You're the best.

Scav 08-06-2010 01:09 PM

What a great story. Now sell her :)

randallscott35 08-06-2010 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 679026)
You're the best.

He's so bad it hurts.

Coach Pants 08-06-2010 01:20 PM

I need to check these threads before betting.

randallscott35 08-06-2010 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav (Post 679028)
What a great story. Now sell her :)

why so someone like Pletcher can train her?

smuthg 08-06-2010 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav (Post 679028)
What a great story. Now sell her :)

I found these two paragraphs from the NY Times article amusing:

Hunt agreed and Snyder’s one-horse stable was back in business. But his filly still needed a name. He came up with Lisa’s Booby Trap, named in part after his wife and in part after a strip club in Florida he admits he likes to frequent.

Working with Lisa’s Booby Trap, Snyder figured out that the reason she was having so many problems was because of her feet. Not only was one a clubfoot, but another was inordinately flat, which caused her every movement to be awkward. Snyder experimented with different shoes and found a combination that solved the problem.

Coach Pants 08-06-2010 01:29 PM

I wonder if the bleeding heart club will still find it a heartwarming story now and not one coming from a complete whackjob.

So now we have a reincarnated wife that's a horse with a name partly due to a strip club. If I didn't know any better I'd wager that he's in the Tea Party.

Scav 08-06-2010 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 679041)
why so someone like Pletcher can train her?

He supposedly had a 500k offer on the horse, if it is real money, and actually a real offer, he needs to sell that horse to help set him up for his future.

Unless the guy is a multi millionaire, which I doubt since he didn't have the full $5k to pay for the horse, this is a no brainer now.

I completely understand why he didn't do it before, but they are like tomatos, they eventually go bad

Coach Pants 08-06-2010 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav (Post 679048)
He supposedly had a 500k offer on the horse, if it is real money, and actually a real offer, he needs to sell that horse to help set him up for his future.

Unless the guy is a multi millionaire, which I doubt since he didn't have the full $5k to pay for the horse, this is a no brainer now.

I completely understand why he didn't do it before, but they are like tomatos, they eventually go bad

Well the horse is his wife so she probably has the final say on being sold. Just depends if she was faithful to him in human form.

ateamstupid 08-06-2010 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 679046)
I wonder if the bleeding heart club will still find it a heartwarming story now and not one coming from a complete whackjob.

So now we have a reincarnated wife that's a horse with a name partly due to a strip club. If I didn't know any better I'd wager that he's in the Tea Party.

Mista Sunshine. Even if he is a weirdo, it's still a cool story/horse.

Coach Pants 08-06-2010 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 679052)
Mista Sunshine. Even if he is a weirdo, it's still a cool story/horse.

I'm holding out support for the future reincarnation of Christopher Hitchens. He'll smoke Booby Trap and drink a handle of Old Charter when he's done.

Danzig 08-06-2010 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 679054)
I'm holding out support for the future reincarnation of Christopher Hitchens. He'll smoke Booby Trap and drink a handle of Old Charter when he's done.

:tro:

randallscott35 08-06-2010 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav (Post 679048)
He supposedly had a 500k offer on the horse, if it is real money, and actually a real offer, he needs to sell that horse to help set him up for his future.

Unless the guy is a multi millionaire, which I doubt since he didn't have the full $5k to pay for the horse, this is a no brainer now.

I completely understand why he didn't do it before, but they are like tomatos, they eventually go bad

Thomas, have you seen this dude? He has a foot in the grave already. All the money in the world won't change that. I hope he just keeps her.


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