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Kasept 04-27-2010 08:51 AM

DERBY NEWS (4/27): Wet a.m.; Ramon on Kris; 'Luck' 6-5 fave
 
Another dreadful weather morning in Louisville with racetrack sopped and hard after being rolled hard and tight.. Only workers were AWESOME ACT and CONVEYANCE, with Awesome Act pretty nearly out-worked by Peace Town, and the Baffert speedball going evenly. A host of Oaks and Derby runners made appearances despite the track condition, with some looking particularly spirited including BLIND LUCK and ICE BOX.

Awesome Act started 2.5 lengths behind Peace Town and ended up a neck in front, but only because Peace Town was being managed. In fact, the Vinery sprinter was quite happy to dig in against the Noseda trainee after the wire and stayed on even terms through the gallop out... Awesome Act's splits were :13.0, :24.4, :36.3, :48.1 and out in 1:00.4 & 1:15.2.

Conveyance started slow and then picked it up to finish well, a solid and professional spin that earned fractions of :13.0, :25.2, :36.3, :48.0, :59.4 and out in 1:13.1.

Those galloping with particular authority and relish included BLIND LUCK and ICE BOX. This was my first look at Blind Luck since Breeders' Cup, and the fine lined filly looked a picture despite the overwhelmingly gray day. Ice Box just seems to be coming towards Saturday in as good a mood and shape as can be. He clearly wanted to do more as he threw his head about during his light jog down the stretch.

Also out this a.m. was Bret Calhoun's strapping JODY SLEW who is a nice bottom wrung candidate on deep exotic tickets Friday. Her work was superb the other morning and she looked like a coiled spring jogging today; QUIET TEMPER wasn't asked to do anything; Pletcher players AILALEA, DEVIL MAY CARE, SUPER SAVER and MISSION IMPAZIBLE all were out and looking great through simple exercise routines, with Ailalea surprising me on appearance. Mission Impazible seems to be justifying everyone's praise of how he looks too, as this was the best chance I had to eyeball him... Got a nice chance to watch CRISP through the stretch, and PADDY O'PRADO had another uneventful spin.

As mentioned the other day, RAMON DOMINGUEZ had a backup plan, and indeed landed on HOMEBOYKRIS... OAKS DRAW today at 11am in the Racing Office...

MORE LATER...

Jay Privman, Mike Welsch, Steve Haskin, Dr. Steve Allday, Jon White, Satish Sanan, Dale Barnstable Jr., and more all on ATR tonight...

the_fat_man 04-27-2010 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 640280)

As mentioned the other day, RAMON DOMINGUEZ had a backup plan, and indeed landed on HOMEBOYKRIS... OAKS DRAW today at 11am in the Racing Office...

This will go a long way towards discrediting those who claim he doesn't win the big ones. Nice ace in the hole.:rolleyes:

randallscott35 04-27-2010 09:38 AM

Maybe Conveyance is going to try and rate with that type of workout.

ninetoone 04-27-2010 09:39 AM

HomeboyKris was the backup plan? What happenned to Rosario?

randallscott35 04-27-2010 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by ninetoone (Post 640293)
HomeboyKris was the backup plan? What happenned to Rosario?

Vic surely wouldn't have allowed this. ;)

IrishS 04-27-2010 10:14 AM

Endorsement
 
Was Endorsement out this morning? I can't find anything about him today.

Kasept 04-27-2010 10:20 AM

136th KY OAKS

1. Its Tea Time
2. Jody Slew
3. Quiet Temper
4. Age of Humor
5. Blind Luck
6. Beautician
7. Crisp
8. Tidal Pool
9. Bella Diamante
10. Champagne D'Oro
11. Evening Jewel
12. Ailalea
13. Amen Hallelujah
14. Joanie's Catch

lemoncrush 04-27-2010 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 640304)
136th KY OAKS

1. Its Tea Time
2. Jody Slew
3. Quiet Temper
4. Age of Humor
5. Blind Luck
6. Beautician
7. Crisp
8. Tidal Pool
9. Bella Diamante
10. Champagne D'Oro
11. Evening Jewel
12. Ailalea
13. Amen Hallelujah
14. Joanie's Catch

Are they drawing the rest of the card this morning too, or will it not be done until later in the day?

v j stauffer 04-27-2010 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 640294)
Vic surely wouldn't have allowed this. ;)

Don't call me Shirley!

ninetoone 04-27-2010 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by v j stauffer (Post 640315)
Don't call me Shirley!

Vic, I thought Rosario was named....now Dominguez has the mount...how did this go down, any idea? Just curious...I like both jocks a lot.

Bigsmc 04-27-2010 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by ninetoone (Post 640323)
Vic, I thought Rosario was named....now Dominguez has the mount...how did this go down, any idea? Just curious...I like both jocks a lot.

Because Rosario's agent sucks.

lemoncrush 04-27-2010 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Bigsmc (Post 640328)
Because Rosario's agent sucks.

Either way...I can't imagine anyone wanting the mount on Homeboy Kris.

tjfla 04-27-2010 10:58 AM

Now that theres 40-60% chance of rain Interacif might run

Dont know if he thinks he got a chance at running on the off track or if its just to keep Backtalk out of the CD slop?

lemoncrush 04-27-2010 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by tjfla (Post 640334)
Now that theres 40-60% chance of rain Interacif might run

Dont know if he thinks he got a chance at running on the off track or if its just to keep Backtalk out of the CD slop?

I would hardly think Pletcher is worried about keeping Backtalk out of the derby. I thought interactif was definitely out. Are they reconsidering?

tjfla 04-27-2010 11:47 AM

I know just was joking about Backtalk thing but yep

He said Interactif ran so well in the mud and that its 40-60% rain on Sat they will make a decision before 12 tomm

randallscott35 04-27-2010 12:11 PM

Where would you rank Conveyance's move today Steve with some of the better moves over the week? Thanks

AeWingnut 04-27-2010 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 640280)
Mission Impazible seems to be justifying everyone's praise of how he looks too, as this was the best chance I had to eyeball him... Got a nice chance to watch CRISP through the stretch, and PADDY O'PRADO had another uneventful spin.
...


Steve,

was Paddy O'Prado's work uneventful becasue he looks dull or becasue they wanted uneventful. I was thinking about including him in all of my bets.
maybe they should be fewer and smaller bets :o

knickslions2 04-27-2010 01:03 PM

Oaks odds

Post Horse Jockey M/L Odds
1 It's Tea Time Alan Garcia 15-1
2 Jody Slew Miguel Mena 30-1
3 Quiet Temper Robby Albarado 10-1
4 Age of Humor Rajiv Maragh 30-1
5 Blind Luck Rafael Bejarano 6-5
6 Beautician Alex Solis 15-1
7 Crisp Joel Rosario 8-1
8 Tidal Pool Calvin Borel 8-1
9 Bella Diamante Mike Smith 30-1
10 Champagne d'Oro Martin Garcia 30-1
11 Evening Jewel Kent Desormeaux 10-1
12 Ailalea John Velazquez 15-1
13 Amen Hallelujah Julien Leparoux 8-1
14 Joanie's Catch Paco Lopez 30-1

If you can beat Blind Luck there is money to be had

JerseyJ 04-27-2010 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by knickslions2 (Post 640397)
Oaks odds

Post Horse Jockey M/L Odds
1 It's Tea Time Alan Garcia 15-1
2 Jody Slew Miguel Mena 30-1
3 Quiet Temper Robby Albarado 10-1
4 Age of Humor Rajiv Maragh 30-1
5 Blind Luck Rafael Bejarano 6-5
6 Beautician Alex Solis 15-1
7 Crisp Joel Rosario 8-1
8 Tidal Pool Calvin Borel 8-1
9 Bella Diamante Mike Smith 30-1
10 Champagne d'Oro Martin Garcia 30-1
11 Evening Jewel Kent Desormeaux 10-1
12 Ailalea John Velazquez 15-1
13 Amen Hallelujah Julien Leparoux 8-1
14 Joanie's Catch Paco Lopez 30-1

If you can beat Blind Luck there is money to be had

Only way to do that is if Tidal Pool can get there ahead of Blind Luck. No one else in here has a shot.

randallscott35 04-27-2010 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by knickslions2 (Post 640397)
Oaks odds

Post Horse Jockey M/L Odds
1 It's Tea Time Alan Garcia 15-1
2 Jody Slew Miguel Mena 30-1
3 Quiet Temper Robby Albarado 10-1
4 Age of Humor Rajiv Maragh 30-1
5 Blind Luck Rafael Bejarano 6-5
6 Beautician Alex Solis 15-1
7 Crisp Joel Rosario 8-1
8 Tidal Pool Calvin Borel 8-1
9 Bella Diamante Mike Smith 30-1
10 Champagne d'Oro Martin Garcia 30-1
11 Evening Jewel Kent Desormeaux 10-1
12 Ailalea John Velazquez 15-1
13 Amen Hallelujah Julien Leparoux 8-1
14 Joanie's Catch Paco Lopez 30-1

If you can beat Blind Luck there is money to be had

And if you like her you can still do Oaks/Derby doubles as well as exactas in here.

NTamm1215 04-27-2010 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 640399)
And if you like her you can still do Oaks/Derby doubles as well as exactas in here.

Exactly. I plan on playing a couple of big Oaks-Derby doubles and hoping to be right about the latter.

NT

Kasept 04-27-2010 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AeWingnut (Post 640391)
Steve,

was Paddy O'Prado's work uneventful becasue he looks dull or becasue they wanted uneventful. I was thinking about including him in all of my bets.
maybe they should be fewer and smaller bets :o

He didn't work. Only Conveyance and Awesome Act worked.

Uneventful means it was just an exercise gallop. He's as live as can be and especially dangerous if it's wet.

slotdirt 04-27-2010 03:20 PM

I don't care if I lose my shirt, but there's no way I'm betting a dime on Paddy O'Prado on Saturday. May as well bet Dean's Kitten.

analyizethis 04-27-2010 03:29 PM

Both Paddy O'Prado and Dean's Kitten had their only dirt start in the slop and both were dredful so why does he move up with an off track.

lemoncrush 04-27-2010 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slotdirt (Post 640508)
I don't care if I lose my shirt, but there's no way I'm betting a dime on Paddy O'Prado on Saturday. May as well bet Dean's Kitten.

I agree. He must have looked spectacular on the track this week, because looking at his PPs and breeding, there's no way I can include him.

freddymo 04-27-2010 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 640294)
Vic surely wouldn't have allowed this. ;)

Vic doesn't get involved with racing east of Santa Monica. Therefore his employees/employee/Tyler...........need not worry about things in other time zones.. Right Vic?

Cajungator26 04-27-2010 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by lemoncrush (Post 640512)
I agree. He must have looked spectacular on the track this week, because looking at his PPs and breeding, there's no way I can include him.

His breeding is fantastic for 10 panels ... ??? What are you seeing that I'm not? His 'turfy' pedigree? :confused:

mbahadur 04-28-2010 01:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ninetoone (Post 640293)
HomeboyKris was the backup plan? What happenned to Rosario?

He now has the mount on Dean's Kitten.

v j stauffer 04-28-2010 01:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 640528)
Vic doesn't get involved with racing east of Santa Monica. Therefore his employees/employee/Tyler...........need not worry about things in other time zones.. Right Vic?

Tyler recently won the $200,000 Sunland Oaks on Harissa. He was going to ride her in the KY Oaks but she didn't get in.

lemoncrush 04-28-2010 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26 (Post 640613)
His breeding is fantastic for 10 panels ... ??? What are you seeing that I'm not? His 'turfy' pedigree? :confused:

Barbaro was one of a kind. Once we regularly start seeing turf horses win the Kentucky Derby, then I'll start paying more attention to them. But there's just too many question marks for me.

slotdirt 04-28-2010 06:23 AM

What about El Prado-Prized doesn't scream turf? In a 20 horse field, you have to take a stand against some, and I'm betting that horses who've clearly done their best running on turf are, well, better on turf.

Cajungator26 04-29-2010 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt (Post 640671)
What about El Prado-Prized doesn't scream turf? In a 20 horse field, you have to take a stand against some, and I'm betting that horses who've clearly done their best running on turf are, well, better on turf.


I normally do that too ... BUT, you have your exception when there isn't anything but a bunch of plugs in the race anyway. Sedgefield was a turf horse as well ... he finished 5th. Didn't win, but was my pick for last place that year and he ran very well.

Buffymommy 04-29-2010 10:34 PM

Anyone see Paddy O's workout on 4/23 in the slop? Time was good so I was wondering what it looked like.


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