Woodard Double Positive
 

I'm sure its just a lab mix-up.

http://drf.com/news/article/111479.html

Hmmm...I wondered why he went from roughly a 8% in 2006-2008 to over 30% in 2009.:rolleyes:

Logic would say that his main owner started spending money again buying and claiming cheap horses but this time has decided to concentrate on two of the worst circuits in America?

Doug O'Neil hasn't missed this trick as he has become a regular at Beulah.

It isnt hard to win races (especially at tracks where the competition is so feeble) if you are willing to lose a lot of money.


Every trainer in America uses those meds.

14% at SA
42% at Charles Town

I cant knock a guy for running horses at CT. At least the purse levels are that of a B level track. Beulah is a tragic joke.

So you can lose money losing a races or you can lose money winning races..Well I choose option B who needs to lose and lose

The pots at CT are good enough to make money with, especially if you are hitting at 42%. At Beulah you can be 100% and lose pretty much all your money.

3/19 total purses for 8 races at Beu -36k
3/17 total purses for 8 races at Beu -32k
3/16 total purses for 9 races at Beu - 38k

Woodard is a joke...If he cheats it is a Vet accident...because he is not calling the shots.
He is exhibit A, that a high win % does not exactly mean a sharp trainer.

What's scary is they average $1.5 million or so in total handle on Mondays and Tuesdays. I guess people really will bet on anything!

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Hard to believe how bad the racing is there. Just awful

The horse are for sale at 3 times slaughter?

At face value they are

Why anyone would choose to be there is a mystery to me.

In the last week or two I've been seeing O'Neill on almost every card. He ships the pigs that can't win at Philly or Penn to CT and usually cashes a check. No idea why he would even bother with Beulah.

He has a maiden tomorrow that he keeps dropping off good performances that should win for fun if the duct tape holds together and the favorite in the finale that will likely win if the Ralph Comi Jr juice monster doesn't draw in.

Fn ridiculous that horses are used to compete at such disdainful levels.

That's what I'm wondering...what is the draw for guys like that to race there. I understand the people who have been there for years but these other guys...I don't get it. Do you think it is just to get some numbers in the win column?

I horse costs 2k a month at least to keep in training...win a 4k purse and live another month

But wouldn't it be more profitable to package a couple of those horses up for a couple thousand dollars and just sell them to one of the Beulah based trainers? Maybe they just want a win picture?

In re: O' Neil

Has Reddham stopped buying horses all together?

Look at the 3rd race from Beulah today where O'Neil had the winner. I can't believe the O'Neil horse paid $3.80 against that field.

Trainer of the 2 is 1/38 at BEU
Trainer of the 3 is 1/35 at BEU
Trainer of the 4 is 1/19 at BEU
Trainer of the 5 is 4/125 at BEU

I dont know why else O neill would do it. Seems like he owns most of the horses as well.

I think they just want to boost the win%. Same thing Clement does every summer at Suffolk except Suffolk is like Keeneland compared to Beulah

And the horse was life and death

I guess the overall high win % makes it look good to potential clients down the line. Still seems odd for a guy who has won Gr 1's and big races to run horses at a place like Beulah.

That is what I thought was interesting about it.

I wonder if guys like Baffert, Mitchell, Mullins or Canani mess with him and congratulate him on stuff like the nice MSW winner at Beulah the other day?

Just saw where Jack Van Berg is sending a string to Thistledowns. Maybe Mullins will be at River Downs .

[quote=Cannon Shell]
Every trainer in America uses those meds.[/

You said that right We use those 2 drugs Practically everyday But we are on the Farm

Jerry Hollendorfer is currently 43-for-85 at Portland Meadows current meet. His $2 ROI is just $1.96 ... which is way better than takeout ... but c'mon ... how the hell can you win over 50% of your races from that big of a sample and not be profitable?

It's Hollendorfer's 2nd season at Portland Meadows - at last years winter meet he struggled mightily to a 25-for-62 (40% wins) record .. his ROI was $1.63 .. which is about equal to takeout.

That begs the question ... is it easier to win at Portland or Beulah? ..

At the 2008 Beu meet ... Hollendorfer struggled badly .. winning just 8 of 30 starts (26% wins) with a terrible $0.74 ROI.

I don't know but Hollendorfer had a horse at Portland on Monday I believe. It's last line read "pulled up lame" or something like that from a race like only 2 weeks before. Of course it won for fun.

They couldn't win a 30 2L at Mountaineer w/ Shopton Lane. He was claimed out of a subsequent start for scratch. He went on to be a multiple stake winner of nearly 300k, sold to Dubai for 600k

They lost Cowboy Hardware at 75-1 for 40k. He ran on and made about 400, multiple stake winner once transitioned

They lost Korbyn Gold for scratch. Multiple stake winner of 600k once transitioned.

Woodard ran Talent Search for 12k maiden at Tampa

One of our posters claimed one from these guys and ran out 125k. Horse and owner will go un-named

The point is I seroiusly doubt these guys knowingly drugged any horse. If you are willing to lose horses like the aforementioned for essentially chicken scratch, why would you go through the trouble of doping some nickle piece of garbage.


The game needs more owners like Hays. A guy thats not scared to throw his cash in there and just wants to win. Hes like the Al Davis of thoroughbred racing. I have seen a lot of black and limegreen lightning bolts in flashbulbs lately, but its not due to any well thoughtout drugging of horses.

If these guys don't care about losing money wouldn't it be smart to just watch them and take what they don't care about?

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Ahhh...the trickle-down effect.