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Alan07 02-17-2010 02:17 PM

2/20 (GP): Hutch, Fountain (G2's), Honey Fox, CDN Turf (G3's)
 
8th (4:37) Hutcheson S. (G2)

7 Furlongs | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $150,000

Prg. # PP Horse Jockey Trainer Wt. Claim $ Equip. Med. ML
1 1 Radiohead (GB) Leparoux J R Dutrow, Jr. R E 122 L 5-1
2 2 City Trooper Gomez G K Weaver George 116 L 12-1
3 3 Ibboyee Velazquez J R Pletcher Todd A 120 L 10-1
4 4 Sum Champ Velasquez C White William P 116 L 20-1
5 5 Wildcat Frankie Lopez P Hatchett James 116 L 4-1
6 6 Hear Ye Hear Ye Sanchez J Gold Stanley I 120 L 8-1
7 7 D' Funnybone Prado E S Dutrow, Jr. R E 122 L 2-1
8 8 A Little Warm Rose J Dutrow Anthony W 120 L 3-1

Exacta / Trifecta / Superfecta / Daily Double / Pick 3 / Pick 4

9th (5:08) Canadian Turf S. (G3)

1 Mile (Turf) | Open | 4 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $150,000

Prg. # PP Horse Jockey Trainer Wt. Claim $ Equip. Med. ML
1 1 Le Grand Cru Lezcano J Jerkens H Allen 120 L 5-1
2 2 Mambo Meister Velazquez J R Gleaves Philip A 122 L 6-1
3 3 Pickapocket Trujillo E Wolfson Martin D 118 L 8-1
4 4 Jet Propulsion Leparoux J R Wolfson Martin D 122 L 4-1
5 5 Cherokee Artist Rose J Motion H Graham 120 L 8-1
6 6 Vanquisher Garcia Alan Griffith Gregory 118 L 20-1
7 7 Courageous Cat Gomez G K Mott William I 124 L 5-2
8 8 Rahy's Attorney Landry R C Black Ian 124 L 6-1
9 9 Star Plus (ARG) Maragh R Penna Angel Jr 118 L 10-1
10 10 Dream Maestro Cruz M R Kaplan William A 118 L 6-1

Exacta / Trifecta / Superfecta / Daily Double / Pick 3

10th (5:40) Fasig-Tipton Fountain of Youth S. (G2)

1 1/8 Miles | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $250,000

Prg. # PP Horse Jockey Trainer Wt. Claim $ Equip. Med. ML
1 1 Aikenite Garcia Alan Pletcher Todd A 116 L 6-1
2 2 Buddy's Saint Lezcano J Levine Bruce N 122 L 3-1
3 3 Pulsion Smith M E Biancone Patrick L 116 L 12-1
4 4 Pleasant Prince Leparoux J R Ward Wesley A 116 L 12-1
5 5 Jackson Bend Rose J Zito Nicholas P 120 L 5-2
6 6 Prince Will I Am Lopez P Nihei Michelle 116 L 30-1
7 7 Positive Split Prado E S McPeek Kenneth G 116 L 12-1
8 8 Eskendereya Velazquez J R Pletcher Todd A 120 L 5-1
9 9 Lost Aptitude Maragh R Romans Dale 118 L 10-1
10 10 Ice Box Bravo J Zito Nicholas P 116 L 10-1

Exacta / Trifecta / Superfecta / Daily Double

11th (6:11) Honey Fox S. (G3)

1 Mile (Turf) | Fillies and Mares | 4 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $100,000

Prg. # PP Horse Jockey Trainer Wt. Claim $ Equip. Med. ML
1 1 Meriwether Jessica Garcia Alan Rice Linda 117 L 20-1
2 2 Backseat Rhythm Gomez G K Dutrow, Jr. R E 123 L 12-1
3 3 Belmont Cat (NZ) Smith M E Sadler John W 123 L 10-1
4 4 Romacaca Castanon J L Miller Danny L 117 L 5-1
5 5 Meadow Saffron Landry R C Seitz Frederick J 117 15-1
6 6 Akilina Maragh R Clement Christophe 121 L 7-2
7 7 Bluegrass Princess Leparoux J R Brown Chad C 117 Blk-Off L 8-1
8 8 Cherokee Queen Rose J Motion H Graham 117 L 8-1
9 9 Drop a Line Rocco J S Jr Motion H Graham 117 L 15-1
10 10 Kitty Cat Express Lezcano J Pointer Norman R 117 L 20-1
11 11 Sales Tax Trujillo E Delacour Leigh 117 L 20-1
12 12 Afternoon Stroll Cruz M R Hamm Timothy 123 L 20-1
13 13 Quiet Harbor Castro E McGaughey III C R 123 L 6-1
14 14 Wasted Tears Velasquez C Evans Bart B 123 L 8-1
15 15 Our Dahlia Prado E S Santos Nuno 117 L 20-1
16 16 Yes She's a Lady Velazquez J R Pletcher Todd A 117 Blk-Off L 12-1

Exacta / Trifecta / Superfecta

Antitrust32 02-17-2010 02:34 PM

seems like a pretty darn good day of racing!!

tector 02-17-2010 03:41 PM

FG has a nice card, too. And then the Southwest as well. Nice day to bet.

rpncaine 02-17-2010 06:11 PM

Anybody heard the weather forecast?

ateamstupid 02-17-2010 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by rpncaine
Anybody heard the weather forecast?

73 and party cloudy, no rain. Terrific group of stakes.

declansharbor 02-17-2010 08:20 PM

My brother's first born (Jan. 3rd) is named Jackson...He wants to know the odds he might get on Jackson Bend in the FOY. He wants to know what the posttime odds will most likely be. I told him maybe 7/2 to 5-1 range...Correct or am I off?

hockey2315 02-17-2010 08:37 PM

Maybe a little lower - 5/2?

declansharbor 02-17-2010 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315
Maybe a little lower - 5/2?

He'll go off the same as last race? Interesting. This field is saltier, right? Im sooo off base with the Derby contenders this year it isnt even funny. Thanks

NTamm1215 02-17-2010 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by declansharbor
He'll go off the same as last race? Interesting. This field is saltier, right? Im sooo off base with the Derby contenders this year it isnt even funny. Thanks

He went off 8/5 in his last start. I think he's going to be the 2nd choice and that'll put him somewhere in the 5/2 to 3-1 range.

NT

RolloTomasi 02-17-2010 09:21 PM

Ridiculous. The Hutcheson on the same day as the Fountain Of Youth. Looks like GP took a page out of Santa Anita's owner's manual (of course its the same). Why are these tracks intent on dismantling their once logical and organized 3yo stakes?

For those who might care, and this is by no means all-inclusive:

Spectacular Bid, Lord Avie, Swale, Forty Niner, Fly So Free, Holy Bull, Unbridled's Song, Cat Thief, Coronado's Quest, First Samurai, etc. ran in both races back in the day, not to mention the Florida Derby.

I guess the Hutcheson (a Grade 2) is now relegated to prep status for the Grade 3 Swale (another traditional starting point for 3yos a little behind the eight-ball, eg Chief's Crown, Summer Squall, Easy Goer, Favorite Trick, Thirty Six Red, Seeking The Gold).

To complete the trend, maybe Churchill will move the Derby Trial to the first Saturday in May.

The Indomitable DrugS 02-17-2010 09:34 PM

^ Good take as always.

I'm very confused about more than a few of the Fountain of Youth runners. It's one of those Derby preps where you feel foggy going in - but you expert to learn a whole lot after it's done.

NTamm1215 02-17-2010 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi
Ridiculous. The Hutcheson on the same day as the Fountain Of Youth. Looks like GP took a page out of Santa Anita's owner's manual (of course its the same). Why are these tracks intent on dismantling their once logical and organized 3yo stakes?

For those who might care, and this is by no means all-inclusive:

Spectacular Bid, Lord Avie, Swale, Forty Niner, Fly So Free, Holy Bull, Unbridled's Song, Cat Thief, Coronado's Quest, First Samurai, etc. ran in both races back in the day, not to mention the Florida Derby.

I guess the Hutcheson (a Grade 2) is now relegated to prep status for the Grade 3 Swale (another traditional starting point for 3yos a little behind the eight-ball, eg Chief's Crown, Summer Squall, Easy Goer, Favorite Trick, Thirty Six Red, Seeking The Gold).

To complete the trend, maybe Churchill will move the Derby Trial to the first Saturday in May.

I agree and it all stems from the fact that Gulfstream's new configuration has them completely hamstrung. Last year they ran the Hutcheson and Holy Bull on the same weekend with the HB being a race for horses who were ahead of the curve and ready to go 9fs. The Hutcheson was a prep for the Fountain of Youth, which was run at a mile instead of 1 1/8 miles.

Now the Hutcheson is kind of in no man's land as far as theoretical Derby preps go.

It can't just be a coincidence that the Sam Davis and Tampa Derby gained in popularity after GP re-configured it's main track. The ability to run 8.5 furlongs is pretty big for 3YOs. Just imagine if GP hadn't extended the chute and their longest possible distance was the 7.5 furlongs they originally planned!

NT

RolloTomasi 02-17-2010 10:52 PM

Speaking of Tampa Bay Downs, their derailing of Gulfstream doesn't stop with the 3yo division.

Anyone notice that well-bred BC Mile runner-up Courageous Cat is making his return to the races in the Grade 3 $150,000 8f Canadian Turf, a mere 2 hours after BC Classic runner-up Gio Ponti makes his comeback in the Grade 3 $150,000 8.5f Tampa Bay BC?

We've come a long way since '89 BC Turf winner Prized and '89 BC Mile winner Steinlen made their '90 debuts when locking horns in the Grade 3 8f Arcadia Handicap at Santa Anita (Prized ripped the very flat Steinlen a new one in that race).

freddymo 02-18-2010 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi
Speaking of Tampa Bay Downs, their derailing of Gulfstream doesn't stop with the 3yo division.

Anyone notice that well-bred BC Mile runner-up Courageous Cat is making his return to the races in the Grade 3 $150,000 8f Canadian Turf, a mere 2 hours after BC Classic runner-up Gio Ponti makes his comeback in the Grade 3 $150,000 8.5f Tampa Bay BC?

We've come a long way since '89 BC Turf winner Prized and '89 BC Mile winner Steinlen made their '90 debuts when locking horns in the Grade 3 8f Arcadia Handicap at Santa Anita (Prized ripped the very flat Steinlen a new one in that race).

Aren't TB and GP in competition for betting dollars? Or is it revenue sharing like the NFL?

VOL JACK 02-18-2010 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tector
FG has a nice card, too. And then the Southwest as well. Nice day to bet.

Nice day for the wife to have our 3 year old daughter's Birthday party.
2-4 central time....she loves to torture me.

The Bid 02-18-2010 10:02 AM

Only thing better is if you are at Chucky Cheese on Derby day. I can only pray it happens

VOL JACK 02-18-2010 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bid
Only thing better is if you are at Chucky Cheese on Derby day. I can only pray it happens

Well Gavin is due close to Belmont day...so I will probably miss Stately Victor's bid for the triple crown.

RolloTomasi 02-18-2010 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freddymo
Aren't TB and GP in competition for betting dollars? Or is it revenue sharing like the NFL?

Good point. I was so worried about a mythical Gio Ponti versus Courageous Cat matchup that I didn't see the great TB-GP rivalry staring me in the face.

I wonder if either will be able to beat Hialeah after that one warms up from the long layoff.

cakes44 02-18-2010 10:30 AM

Value is there to be had in all of 'em. Should be a great day.

tector 02-18-2010 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi
Good point. I was so worried about a mythical Gio Ponti versus Courageous Cat matchup that I didn't see the great TB-GP rivalry staring me in the face.

I wonder if either will be able to beat Hialeah after that one warms up from the long layoff.

Pass the bowl over here, man.

VOL JACK 02-18-2010 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi
Good point. I was so worried about a mythical Gio Ponti versus Courageous Cat matchup that I didn't see the great TB-GP rivalry staring me in the face.

I wonder if either will be able to beat Hialeah after that one warms up from the long layoff.

I will play against Courageous Cat with confidence Saturday.
The problem is I don't know who I will rely on...but CC will not win.

NTamm1215 02-18-2010 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VOL JACK
I will play against Courageous Cat with confidence Saturday.
The problem is I don't know who I will rely on...but CC will not win.

Have you seen the rest of the field? He's certainly going to be overbet but I think he looks very, very tough unless they can convince Rahy's Attorney that Gulfstream is actually Woodbine.

NT

VOL JACK 02-18-2010 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NTamm1215
Have you seen the rest of the field? He's certainly going to be overbet but I think he looks very, very tough unless they can convince Rahy's Attorney that Gulfstream is actually Woodbine.

NT

Yeah, that would be the problem with my theory.
But I don't look for mott to have CC anywhere near cranked for this.

DaTruth 02-18-2010 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bid
Only thing better is if you are at Chucky Cheese on Derby day. I can only pray it happens

When my kids get invited to a birthday party at Chucky Cheese's, I usually punish the parents giving it by getting their kid a gift that either involves lots of nonwashable markers or that has 1,000 pieces.

VOL JACK 02-18-2010 10:29 PM

It is funny the Bid mentioned Chucky Chesses.
I took my duaghter there last month for a B-day party.
Everytime since then when I load her in her car seat...she ask " are we going to Chucky Cheese?"
She nevers mentions the Seaworld and Nickelodeon Hotel vacation we took 3 weeks ago...just Chucky Cheese.

The Indomitable DrugS 02-19-2010 07:19 AM

Take her to Chucky Cheese more often if that's the case.

Just don't let that big goofy mouse/rat mascot thing near her ... only a pedo would want a job like that.

Bring me along ... and I'd school you both at ski ball.

VOL JACK 02-19-2010 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Take her to Chucky Cheese more often if that's the case.

Just don't let that big goofy mouse/rat mascot thing near her ... only a pedo would want a job like that.

Bring me along ... and I'd school you both at ski ball.

I was better at ski ball in 4th grade than I am now.
but I cant be beat at pop-a-shot basketball.

Sightseek 02-19-2010 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Take her to Chucky Cheese more often if that's the case.

Just don't let that big goofy mouse/rat mascot thing near her ... only a pedo would want a job like that.

Bring me along ... and I'd school you both at ski ball.

My friend brought her kid there for a birthday party and the kid screamed and ran away every time the mouse came near.

Must be instinct.

lemoncrush 02-19-2010 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NTamm1215
Have you seen the rest of the field? He's certainly going to be overbet but I think he looks very, very tough unless they can convince Rahy's Attorney that Gulfstream is actually Woodbine.

NT

I tend to agree. I know the Breeders Cup Bounce theory is valid, but CC really should handle this group if he's ready. Jet Propulsion should be overbet based on the dream front-running trip he got last time, and faces a much tougher group. The only other horse I may use in the multis is the Angel Penna Jr. horse. Pretty nice comeback for being off so long, and the guy knows where to spot his horses.

Anyone know if Mambo Meister is running at GP or Tampa?

freddymo 02-19-2010 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi
Good point. I was so worried about a mythical Gio Ponti versus Courageous Cat matchup that I didn't see the great TB-GP rivalry staring me in the face.

I wonder if either will be able to beat Hialeah after that one warms up from the long layoff.

I hope Hialeah becomes well Hialeah again.. The turf races this weekend are quite the bore. Other then hoping Quiet Harbor continues to move forward the Spls's look more interesting then the Stakes.

SCUDSBROTHER 02-19-2010 04:29 PM

The Honey Fox is a nice race. Guess this will be the rare day I bet the Gostreak Course.

GPK 02-20-2010 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
The Honey Fox is a nice race. Guess this will be the rare day I bet the Gostreak Course.


It is a good race. I wonder what the reasoning is behind Lezcano jumping off Bluegrass Princess for his main man Chad Brown and opting on Kitty Cat Express. Very evenly matched field in which any number of them could win.

GPK 02-20-2010 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VOL JACK
Yeah, that would be the problem with my theory.
But I don't look for mott to have CC anywhere near cranked for this.

I'm in agreement with that line of thinking as well. I don't think Star Plus is the worst stab in this race. He will most likely be a nice price. Penna/Maragh are plenty dangerous together. Should be pretty fit coming in 2nd off and with the rail at 72 feet, working out a trip should be no problem for Rajiv.

Sightseek 02-20-2010 06:15 PM

Is PG on a mandate with DrugS? His horse won big and he isn't around.

RockHardTen1985 02-20-2010 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sightseek
Is PG on a mandate with DrugS? His horse won big and he isn't around.

I was at the racino, just got home. Had a giant day would have been better had Dublin got up.

RockHardTen1985 02-20-2010 06:52 PM

Im heading Westward to try my luck at the $500 MAX table, wish me luck and everyone have a nice night.

Sightseek 02-20-2010 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985
I was at the racino, just got home. Had a giant day would have been better had Dublin got up.

Nice job! You got him in the futures too didn't you?

RockHardTen1985 02-21-2010 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sightseek
Nice job! You got him in the futures too didn't you?

40 at 27-1


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