2/20 (FG): Risen Star (G2); Mineshaft, FG H., SBD (G3's)
 

6th (2:43) Pan Zareta S.

6 Furlongs | Fillies and Mares | 4 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $60,000

1 Coy Cat Valenzuela P A 118 L
2 Juliet's Spirit Sellers S J 116 L
3 Four Gifts Albarado R J 116 L
4 Simplify Bridgmohan S X 116 L
5 Dubai Majesty Theriot H J II 116 L
6 Double Espresso Graham J 116 L



7th (3:13) Colonel Power S.

5 1/2 Furlongs (Turf) | Open | 4 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $60,000

3 Angelonmyshoulder (GB) Eramia R E 116 L
4 Written in Stone Jacinto J 116 L
5 Grand Traverse Torres F C 118 L
1 Country Day Hernandez B J Jr 116 L
2 Chamberlain Bridge Theriot H J II 116 L
2b Free Brave Mena M 116 L
6 Storm Treasure Bridgmohan S X 116 L
7 Caspian Sellers S J 116 L
8 Wise River Bourque C C 116 L
9 Turfiste Albarado R J 116 L
1a Due Date Graham J 116 L

A-Coupled: Country Day and Due Date
B-Coupled: Chamberlain Bridge and Free Brave



8th (3:43) Silverbulletday S. (G3)

1 1/16 Miles | Fillies | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $150,000

1 Quiet Temper Albarado R J 122 L
2 The Rumor's True Eramia R E 120 L
3 Age of Humor Desormeaux K J 120 L
4 Elusive Jozi Graham J 116 L
5 Bella Medaglia Sellers S J 116 L
6 Devil May Care Castellano J J 122 L
7 Jody Slew Mena M 120 L



9th (4:13) Fair Grounds H. (G3)

1 1/8 Miles (Turf) | Open | 4 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $100,000

1 Baltimore Bob Hernandez B J Jr 119 L
2 Giant Oak Razo E Jr 120 Blk-Off L
3 Silverfoot Theriot H J II 116 L
4 Blues Street Castellano J J 120 L
5 Secret Getaway Desormeaux K J 116 L
6 Acting Zippy Albarado R J 120 L
7 Dubious Miss Valenzuela P A 118 L
8 Gretsky Taylor L 115 L
9 Get Rich Quick Mena M 118 L
10 Transduction Gold Graham J 114 L



10th (4:43) Risen Star S. (G2)

1 1/16 Miles | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $300,000

1 Bravo Whiskey Bourque C C 116 L
2 Tempted to Tapit Cohen D 116 L
3 Mountain Justice Sellers S J 116 L
4 Discreetly Mine Castellano J J 116 L
5 Random Move Mena M 116 L
6 Drosselmeyer Desormeaux K J 116 L
7 Northern Giant Jacinto J 116 L
8 Worldly Valenzuela P A 116 L
9 Stay Put Theriot H J II 116 L
10 Letsgetitonmon Bridgmohan S X 116 L
11 Ron the Greek Graham J 120 L
12 Hotep Albarado R J 116 L



11th (5:13) Mineshaft H. (G3)

1 1/16 Miles | Open | 4 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $100,000

1 General Quarters Albarado R J 121 L
2 Friesan Fire Bridgmohan S X 122 L
3 Country Flavor Cohen D 114 L
4 Stonehouse Mena M 116 L
5 Giant Oak Graham J 121 Blk-Off L
6 Good and Lucky Sellers S J 118 L

I'm not sure why Maximus Ruler didn't get entered in the Risen Star. Anyone know?

NT

injury.

http://www.nola.com/horseracing/inde...aximus_ru.html

Thanks for the update.

NT

Damn...he's in my Road To the Roses stable too.

I love Hotep, but I hope they scratch him due to his awful post. Discreetly Mine should be kept sprinting, but he's a 3 year old with a pulse, so that's not happening. I love Tapit, but I suspect Tempted to Tapit is just a product of bad winter racing at Aqueduct. I'd be shocked if he's up to this.

I love Devil May Care; she's a forgotten filly due to her stinker in the BC, but she's back on dirt and that should make all the difference

Tempted to Tapit's last race looks phenomenal and he appears the speed of the speed. I'll be interested to see how he follows up his last.

trainer doesn't seem upset about hoteps post-with the race being 1 1/16th, i don't think the post is something the horse can't deal with. as for discreetly mine, being by mineshaft i don't know why you'd worry about him stretching out.

I read Frostad's quotes - did they come before or after the draw? In any case, I guess it doesn't matter. A bad post shouldn't hinder the colt from at least running well - it's not like he has to win.

As far as Discreetly Mine goes, Mineshaft has been such a disappointment as a sire that, to me, the fact that he was a router doesn't mean that much. I know you know that not every offspring by a sire takes after that sire - AP Indy has sired sprinter/milers in his career. I did like DM last year, but I really thought his Spectacular Bid was mediocre - at no point did he show anything. He also doesn't look like a horse that will stretch out; to me, he's at best a miler, but I really don't think he wants more than 7 furlongs. I don't expect much from him in this race.

If he somehow runs competitively - you could safely forget about the Derby hopes of every single horse in this race... unless a horse encounters monumental trouble or their jockey falls off.

Ok, I guess you don't think much of this horse, lol. We'll see...I have no idea how he'll do, but I do think he's promising (and he's hardly the worst horse in the race)

I like him too, Betsy.

I like him for the Queen's Plate.

Glad to see I'm not alone - but if I was, that's ok, too. For all I know, he could run up the track and end up in the Queen's Plate. I'm really just rooting for him - he's a question mark, for sure.

The QP would be fine, but only if the colt proves he can't run with good American 3 year olds. It's nice that the option exists, though.

Is this just a pedigree thing? I'm not seeing anything else appealing about this horse.

He makes Uptowncharlybrown look like Point Given.

There's always some mediocre overrated A. P. Indy horse for the Risen Star ... some like Friesan Fire and the god awful Scipion win very unimpressively ... others like Indy Dancer get exposed before the hype train can get out of control.

This stellar Pletcher A. P. Indy below was actually favored over Badge of Silver in the Risen Star ...




I remember the Cradle Stakes at River Downs when Scipion faced Bellamy Road. I was trying to bet Bellamy Road - but I was at an off-track wagering parlor and all the mutuals went down five minutes before the race and didn't come back on till the race was over.

Speaking of TAP flops in the Risen Star. How could we forget about Harlington.

DrugS, your avatar looks like K.D. Lang wearing Harry Caray's sunglasses.

I'll go DrugS mugshot now.

Slightly more menacing than this ...

Bias aided races on the inner, especially at two turns, should be taken with a grain of salt. What were his prior excuses?

Discreetly Mine is much faster early.

I would imagine they'd try to rate DM. I don't think he wants to stretch out at all, but he has no shot if he uses his early speed.

So it would be better to take him out of his element and try to rate?

I also don't understand why you continue to state so plainly that he doesn't want to stretch out. Are you basing it on his 2nd place finish in the Champagne where he forced a hot pace? Super Saver didn't even stay the course that day after contesting the pace with DM.

NT

Discreetly Mine is bred to run all day. As for the AQU inner, it has sent out some nice horses over the last few years and a fast horse is a fast horse.

i know it's not just according to sire-but the horses dam isn't exactly lacking in the stamina dept, nor was his half brother discreet cat. of course none of that means the horse can win this. but i don't see a reason at this point to say he's a sure sprinter.

As long as it's actually a fast horse.

Fair enough, I just hardly ever see horses set fractions like that going two turns and show no sign of tiring ever, maybe I'm not watching the IT enough. You're right, his other races suck, but that's why I'm interested to see what he comes with on Saturday.

It was a very fast pace, you're absolutely right, I just have trouble buying it all as it relates to the rest of his form. Don't get me wrong, he may be OK, but one inner dirt two turn wire job doesn't convince me of much.

I'm basing it on that, in part. Even if I thought he could go long, he's not that good (and believe me, I wish I didn't think so). Yeah, he beat Super Saver twice, but that means nothing now. SS has developed and DM hasn't. Also, he always seems to have excuses. First in the Futurity and then in the Champagne. I don't recall him forcing the pace in that race - I recall him being a few lengths off it. Are you saying you like this horse for the Derby? The same colt who battled with Eightyfiveinafifty (I think that's his name, sorry if I'm mistaken) and lost that duel in the Dublin maiden race? I'm just not sure what some see in him, that's all.

That's all true, but the horse doesn't look to me like he wants to go on. Since I don't think he's that good and I expect very little from him in the Risen Star, it will be hard to tell from that race whether he chucks it because he can't go long or because he's a mediocre talent. Possibly he could go longer against suspect competition? I admit his race in the Spectacular Bid turned me off DM quite a bit, but I still thought before hand he was a sprinter.

I agree but he did it on a muddy track so obviously I wonder how much he was aided by that.

Ok, I suppose I need to admit that I was wrong - sort of. There is no way this horse goes 1 1/4 - I can't see him getting 1 1/8 well either. The final time was slow and no one did anything behind him - I would rather see DM kept sprinting, especially since Todd's A horse won the FOY so impressively.

Very tough beat for Quiet Temper.

That track is ridiculous today on the front end. TT ran a very good race to hold second. He essentially chased a lose leader at a mild pace. He needed that against better horses, he will get a lot out of that race.

Jodi Slew ran a huge race today with how that was playing.

I was pretty happy with the Risen Star but the wrong horse closed for me in the Silverbulletday.

The problem is that he sucks sprinting - and that there is more money to be made routing.

There are a lot of true sprinters - you know, horses who are actually better sprinting than routing .... and they are sacrficed into route races because you simply have a lot more money to be made.

Making a horse who is better off routing - try to be a sprinter - is foolish.

Jodi Slew beat a terrible field over a very fair racetrack.

You think this horse really wants to route? In looking at the race again, he ran fine.....he did spurt away from his rivals when he needed to. However, I didn't think he ran like he definitely wanted more ground. I will admit that the FG stretch is not conducive to front runners, though from what I've read, the track was speed favoring today. In any case, with his running style, DM will get fried in the Derby.

Whatever you read about it being a speed favoring track is retarded. I assume whoever wrote it has been watching synthetic track racing for the last 3 years and expects deep closers to win a bunch of races.

Look at the days 3 dirt route race. Heavily favored Friesan Fire didn't even hit the board after setting a slow pace - a longshot won from mid-pack passing the two favorites.

In the Silverbulletday - an 8/1 winner was dead last on the turn and closed from out of the TV screen to win.

In the Risen Star - you basically had a race with only two horses with any ability (Discreetly Mine and Tepted to Tapit) - instead of pressuring each other - they both rated - and instead of burying that disgraceful field behind them .. they finished 1-2 in workmanlike fashion.