DT FOCUS (1/14-GP 9): 7f MSW -- Odysseus (85 Beyer)
 

GULFSTREAM 9th THURSDAY (5:14)

7 Furlongs | Open | 3 Year Olds Maiden Special Weight | Purse: $45,000

1 Illuminated Sky Leparoux J R 122 FTL
2 Grand Macho Coa E M 122 FTL
3 Odysseus Maragh R 122 L
4 Forward Harch Garcia Alan 122 L
5 City Wolf Velazquez J R 122 L
6 Nadal Castanon J L 122 L
7 Pow Wow Rose J 122 L
8 Teutonic Knight Castro E 122 FTL
9 Storm On the Moon Velasquez C 122 L
10 Day of Destiny Lezcano J 122 FTL
11 True Heaven Desormeaux K J 122 FTL
12 Catalan Bravo J 122 FTL
AE Morethanatale Lopez P 122 L
AE Miner's Reserve Marquez C H Jr 122

Surprised no one has any thoughts about this race...

Brother of Ghostzapper/City Zip (CITY WOLF) featured, but you may have heard Satish Sanan talk about the hopes Padua has for second timer ODYSSEUS.

Team Valor and Violette send FORWARD HATCH, a Forestry second time starter, and POW WOW from Tony Dutrow and the Moores looks OK. Plenty more in here as well...

Re: City Wolf, I still think 7f is too short. I think you'll start seeing how good he is once he gets two turns

Or not so good...When your 1/2 is Ghostzapper its tough being Jan Brady

I know, can never live up to those expectations, but I just think he needs more ground, he seems one paced

City Wolf needs grass.

Highly doubt that, I like him today.

Toss.

Next.

His chances of being good on dirt were minimal being by that sire, right?

NT

Yeah because Swift Temper, First Sam, and Giant Moon sucked on dirt?

Fredo, you have to be familiar with the poster above and his affinity for this particular sire.

NT

When you try to name three good dirt horses by a six-figure sire, and those are the three you come up with, he's not been productive on dirt.

Agreed

Not my favorite dirt sire BUT Hold Me Back is ok on dirt and so is First Passage. My point was he has had enough success not to discount him as JUST a turf producer.

One suck up 2nd on dirt doesn't make Hold Me Back ok on dirt.

Considering how many chances he's had to throw a true star on dirt and the best he's done is Swift Temper/First Samurai/Giant Moon/Hold Me Back/First Passage, I'd say he's pretty much a turf/synthetic sire. Either that or he sucks in general.

Who was that horse that ran second to Tiago at Oaklawn? He was a freakshow and it was a tragedy he got hurt.

He has at least 2 serious dirt derby contenders this year.

Heatseeker? Every major stakes he won was on synthetic and he was G1-placed on turf in Ireland.

His Oaklawn race was really good, kinda like Zenyattas... Plus like half the people around here say Tiago would have been a freak on dirt, so losing to him with I think a 107 beyer is not that bad.

So now we're calling Heatseeker a dirt horse because he ran second to a horse that people on DT say would've been a freak on dirt. Got it.

The bottom line is Giant's Causeway has five million-dollar earners, and Swift Temper's the only one who was a bona fide dirt horse. And as much as I like her, she wasn't exactly historically fast.

I never thought I would see the word 'freak' in the same sentence as Tiago.

The point AGAIN was not to laud the horse the second coming of Mr. P.. Giants Causeway has been a better turf stallion to date BUT he can certainly get a quality dirt runner

And my point again is that compared to the height of his fee and the kind of mares he's gotten, he's been a relative failure on dirt. So in the case of City Wolf, with a horse that's going to be 4-1 in a salty maiden field that he's no better than, I'll take the horses that are more likely to be legitimate dirt horses.

I guess your pitching the Stormy Atlantic.. City Wolf has run twice on dirt, I am not saying he would or wouldnt be better on grass just that there is plenty to go on without considering if GCauseway means anything in todays race..

The fav is a cinch away unless...Jerkins to Dutrow you do the math unless one of these FTS's is a Curlin type

the brown 10 day of destiny is the goods.looks like they have been planning this start sence toga...if not the 4 imo

Where's the LMFAO smiley?

If by "freak" you mean a bottom of the exotics filler in real races, then yes, count me in the group of "half the people around here."

He was under Dutrow in his last start when he ran third at 1-1. I don't think Jimmy Jerkens is a guy it's very easy to move up off of.

85 Beyer for Odysseus (and a very pleased Satish Sanan). Indicated on ATR Thursday that they will not necessarily rush him into a stake, though the Sam Davis a possibility.