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Kasept 01-08-2010 06:34 AM

DT FOCUS (1/9-AQU 2): Eightyfiveinafifty (105 Beyer)
 
AQUEDUCT 2nd (12:58)

6 Furlongs | Open | 3 Year Olds Maiden Special Weight | Purse: $40,000

1 5 He's a Scrooge Jara F McLaughlin Kiaran P 120 FTL 8-1
1A 6 Freshman Dorm Napravnik A R McLaughlin Kiaran P 120 L 8-1
2 1 Upper Afleet Serpa A Kelly Patrick J 1155 30-1
3 2 Avenging Spirit Cohen D Barbara Robert 120 FTL 3-1
4 3 Winaholic Migliore R Levine Bruce N 120 FTL 6-1
5 4 Eightyfiveinafifty Chavez J F Contessa Gary C 120 L 6-5
6 7 Departures Saez G Duggan David P 120 FTL 15-1
7 8 Bojan Hill C Terranova, II John P 120 FTL 5-1
8 9 Hot Pursuit Lopez C C Zito Nicholas P 120 L 20-1

A-Coupled: He's a Scrooge and Freshman Dorm

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Kasept 01-08-2010 09:02 AM

This is a white hot group...

Though the Contessa who bowed behind Dublin at SAR ('85 IN A 50') is getting all the ink, Bob Barbara's debuting AVENGING SPIRIT is rumored to be the goods.

Levine's $210k Repole purchase by Tiznow (WINAHOLIC) may needs a start and a second turn, and the Wildcat Heir colt BOJAN from Terranova looks to run first time as many do from that barn, and is a half to SW Fitz Just Right.

McLaughlin has an entry including an 'any kind' that he owns (HE'S A SCROOGE)...

And from a personal viewpoint, I'm expecting Dave Duggan's DEPARTURES to be OK too, at some point if not in this unveiling Saturday. He's a half to the likable SW Fleet Valid... "Port Chop" from his days with Trombetta when I got to spend a good deal of time around him. Fleet Valid is a 'too fast for his own good' type that has had a nice career winning 9 times (2 stakes) in 29 starts with 20 ITM finishes.

Cannon Shell 01-08-2010 10:57 AM

I thought there was a big fight in the paddock or something like that.

Gander 01-08-2010 02:54 PM

I think Contessas horse will be 2/5 in here and run to those odds. You rarely see him express this kind of confidence in one of his animals, and this is a betting barn. This one is suppose to be real good.

freddymo 01-08-2010 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
I thought there was a big fight in the paddock or something like that.

Horse Racing perfers the fighting happen on the track on horses, like in the old days. Maybe NTRA should start funding jousting events.. This 5th race at Philly was bad news

Gander 01-09-2010 12:09 PM

Wow, Gary's horse is something special. Going to be fun to see where he goes next, whether he stretches or they look for one turn races.

freddymo 01-09-2010 12:22 PM

The Barbara FTS ran fairly well also. Down the lane he was clueless. He will improve with time also

Gander 01-10-2010 08:10 AM

I wonder when we see him next? Gary is taking him to Gulfstream but I dont think a specific race has been planned. Allowance race or right to the FOY? Derby Fever is contagious and I think Gary has it! Best of luck to him. It would be a great story.

randallscott35 01-10-2010 09:35 AM

Huge number that race I would think.

Gander 01-10-2010 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35
Huge number that race I would think.

And completely under wraps. This horse is freaky good. Surprised there isnt more buzz on this guy. Note the amount of different owners. This was a monster in the making.

freddymo 01-10-2010 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Gander
And completely under wraps. This horse is freaky good. Surprised there isnt more buzz on this guy. Note the amount of different owners. This was a monster in the making.

Contessa has had a few horses run a big INNER number and then come down to earth. That doesn't mean this horse isnt the real deal, he might be, do you remember the last Forest Camp to be SO good? I don't.. Again he might be all that but I would error on the side of a Contessa horses not being "all that" once they switch to a different arena. To be fair Contessa did win a stake at GP on a horse I completely wrongfully tossed.

Who was that ridiculous juice job he sold off a big Inner win that we never heard from again?

Gander 01-10-2010 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
Contessa has had a few horses run a big INNER number and then come down to earth. That doesn't mean this horse isnt the real deal, he might be, do you remember the last Forest Camp to be SO good? I don't.. Again he might be all that but I would error on the side of a Contessa horses not being "all that" once they switch to a different arena. To be fair Contessa did win a stake at GP on a horse I completely wrongfully tossed.

Who was that ridiculous juice job he sold off a big Inner win that we never heard from again?

Mayan King?

freddymo 01-10-2010 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Gander
Mayan King?

Sounds right

hockey2315 01-10-2010 11:04 AM

Ran a 105 BSF while setting an average pace. Seems like a nice sprinter, but I can't see him holding up through the derby season and going 10F.

RockHardTen1985 01-10-2010 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315
Ran a 105 BSF while setting an average pace. Seems like a nice sprinter, but I can't see him holding up through the derby season and going 10F.


Agree.
Do you want to play heads up?

Scav 01-10-2010 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985
Agree.
Do you want to play heads up?

What is your new name on FT?

randallscott35 01-10-2010 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315
Ran a 105 BSF while setting an average pace. Seems like a nice sprinter, but I can't see him holding up through the derby season and going 10F.

105 is a 105. Take nothing away from this run. Most horses don't want 10 panels. That's not saying anything. This is a really nice horse.

Indian Charlie 01-10-2010 12:06 PM

So, what does that name mean exactly? 85ina50?

hockey2315 01-10-2010 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35
105 is a 105. Take nothing away from this run. Most horses don't want 10 panels. That's not saying anything. This is a really nice horse.

"A 105 is a 105" is a pretty painfully off-base statement.

Anyways. . . I think this horse is pretty good, despite the fact that he was facing a bad field and waltzed on the lead.

My derby reference was because the DRF article about the horse said Contessa expects him to be an important 3-year-old this year, implying (you would think), that he'll be relevant on the Derby trail. The King's Bishop seems like a much more realistic long term goal. . . if he can somehow stay healthy.

freddymo 01-10-2010 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315
"A 105 is a 105" is a pretty painfully off-base statement.

Anyways. . . I think this horse is pretty good, despite the fact that he was facing a bad field and waltzed on the lead.

My derby reference was because the DRF article about the horse said Contessa expects him to be an important 3-year-old this year, implying (you would think), that he'll be relevant on the Derby trail. The King's Bishop seems like a much more realistic long term goal. . . if he can somehow stay healthy.

Actually that field might not be too bad..The second place horse has a future and ran a very good race.

hockey2315 01-10-2010 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
Actually that field might not be too bad..The second place horse has a future and ran a very good race.

How can you possibly say Avenging Spirit ran a good race?

freddymo 01-10-2010 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315
How can you possibly say Avenging Spirit ran a good race?

Because I know he did. I know the horse is very well thought of and I didn't need anyone to tell me he ran well in his first start. He broke fair showed nice early speed which will not be his trade mark in the future was green as heck down the lane and still managed to out finish the rest that hadn't made a run. perhaps you should go to the replay and watch that horses stride? he isnt a sprinter and will be better going longer.

hockey2315 01-10-2010 02:22 PM

I don't care how well thought of the horse is. . . Nothing about his run backed up all the hype. Clearly your expectations prior to the race are clouding your ability to objectively evaluate his performance. The winner couldn't have accelerated away from AS any easier and, no matter how hard he tried to blow it for second, none of those horses were even good enough to clunk up and pass him.

Maybe whatever injuries he has struggled with came back to haunt him in the stretch, but that certainly doesn't bode well for his future.

freddymo 01-10-2010 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockey2315
I don't care how well thought of the horse is. . . Nothing about his run backed up all the hype. Clearly your expectations prior to the race are clouding your ability to objectively evaluate his performance. The winner couldn't have accelerated away from AS any easier and, no matter how hard he tried to blow it for second, none of those horses were even good enough to clunk up and pass him.

Maybe whatever injuries he has struggled with came back to haunt him in the stretch, but that certainly doesn't bode well for his future.

If biggest hype horse ran a 105 in his second and this horse ran 17 lengths behind in his first which is what a 75 BSF then I think it was a very good first try.

cakes44 01-10-2010 03:51 PM

No thanks on any Forest Camp being a factor on the first Saturday of May. I might even rather have a future bet on a Dixie Union horse.

Gander 01-11-2010 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by randallscott35
105 is a 105. Take nothing away from this run. Most horses don't want 10 panels. That's not saying anything. This is a really nice horse.

Yes he is. Cant wait to see him develop. This could be one we will be talking about for a long, long time.

Bigsmc 01-11-2010 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Gander
Mayan King?

Do you mean the 2006 HOTY candidate, Mayan King?


Quote:

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite
Mayan King ... whom I projected as a 2006 HOTY contender early in 2005 ... will likely make his next start ... his fourth as a 4YO (2 wins/1 place) and first in a stakes race this year ... in the 9f Cornhusker at Prairie Meadows on July 1.

His major goal is the Whitney at Saratoga ... but Gary Contessa doesn't want to rush him by pushing him into the Suburban at Belmont ... so the Cornhusker will be his prep for the Whitney ... then ultimately the BC Classic.

In his last start ... Mayan King ran a mile at Belmont in the same time that Silver Train ran the Met Mile the following day.

Anyone in the Midwest should definitely plan to be there ... you'll see a real racehorse whose name will be on everyone's lips this Fall ... and you'll be able to bet on as dead-sure a certainty as there is in horse racing.

Now if someone will just explain to me what a cornhusk is ...


Scav 01-11-2010 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Bigsmc
Do you mean the 2006 HOTY candidate, Mayan King?

Good lord.....

Gaelic Storm 01-11-2010 09:27 AM

3rd place finisher might be ok too. He will need distance and probably turf.

The Indomitable DrugS 01-11-2010 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
If biggest hype horse ran a 105 in his second and this horse ran 17 lengths behind in his first which is what a 75 BSF then I think it was a very good first try.

More like a 60 Freddy.

freddymo 01-11-2010 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
More like a 60 Freddy.

I thought it would be 35 less..Isnt 10l 25pts?

The Indomitable DrugS 01-11-2010 12:10 PM

The final margin was over 17 lengths.

How in the hell did that horse take so much money? Tapit's are very low percentage on debut ... and the dam was a turf marathoner.

randallscott35 01-11-2010 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
The final margin was over 17 lengths.

How in the hell did that horse take so much money? Tapit's are very low percentage on debut ... and the dam was a turf marathoner.

Was not a debut I believe but a second start.

hockey2315 01-11-2010 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35
Was not a debut I believe but a second start.

He's talking about the 2nd place finisher.

The winner actually opened up pretty short in his debut at Saratoga if I remember correctly. . . The race was so loaded, though, that his odds had to go high when the pools filled out.

The Indomitable DrugS 01-11-2010 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315
He's talking about the 2nd place finisher.

The winner actually opened up pretty short in his debut at Saratoga if I remember correctly. . . The race was so loaded, though, that his odds had to go high when the pools filled out.

The winner ran an absolutely mind-boggling race when 3rd in his debut at Saratoga.

StoneGossard did a nice write-up on him at his blog.

http://traderpete.blogspot.com/2009/...st-part-1.html

blackthroatedwind 01-11-2010 12:26 PM

I'll take my chances that Avenging Spirit is a good horse and he showed why he was heavily bet. Wow, a first time starter, who was studdish in the paddock and acted up, tired badly from chasing a speed horse that ran a monsterous race. That's never happened before.

The Indomitable DrugS 01-11-2010 12:55 PM

I don't disagree. He should improve a whole lot. Certainly could be a good horse.

The mother was a nice closing turf stayer .. and Tapit's often seem to move plenty forward off of their debut.

Tapit's debuters are a combined 5-for-86, his best ones like Carless Jewel and Stardom Bound both got beat on debut.

Even without getting into circumstances - it's impressive that Avenging Spirt was good enough to run a Beyer in the low 60's on debut.

I'd have been a lot more excited if he was 30/1 instead of 3/1.

Indian Charlie 01-11-2010 01:38 PM

Speaking of Avenging Spirit, where has King Glorious been lately?

Indian Charlie 01-11-2010 04:27 PM

Just read for 8550 that he's going the Whirlaway - Gotham - Wood - Derby route.

randallscott35 01-11-2010 04:41 PM

http://drf.com/news/article/110036.html


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